It's a great ball. I think Rico would be better at suggesting on a layout. Me personally would probably go with the pin up option in the 4.5" - 5" pin range. Then adjust surface as needed to match the condition. Likely closer to 2000 grit gives me a better/consistent rection versus polished when dealing with spotty conditions.

Usually I wait and adjust surface as needed after seeing how box finish does on he lanes.

I have asked for the pattern but know one seems to know.

What I have heard is that AMF Syn are higher friction then other Syn and mainly in the heads. Been told 39-40 feet. I would say more on the lighter side of Medium for sure. At times it looks like everyone can hook it off the lane and at times there is OB. Shot seems to be up the 10-13 boards. High and tight seems to carry the best. I leave a lot of 4 pins, and 10 pins as do many and I have trouble stringing strikes together. I get better as the shot breaks down but most will excel in game 2 and struggle game 3. Speed is good there. I am about 16.5 at release.

Been finally doing better with a pin down Vibe XR the last few sets. Teammate has been doing well with a Uproar....style like mine and the ball is drilled like the Pin up that I mentioned. Lots of energy at the pins. I have a bit more tilt then him though.

Thanks

Normally if you are leaving 10 pins (usually flat) and then make an adjustment which then leaves solid 4 pins, usually there are at least three things, in my experience, that could be the problem: 1, too much surface on the ball, 2, wrong ball (or inappropriate drilling), or, 3, you're playing the wrong line. Many times, just changing balls, to one that goes slightly longer and has slightly more backend, solves this problem.

Some great post, thanks!

Rico, I am usually slight inside of squared up. Any time I square up (6-9 board) majority of my balls hook early and go left of the head pin, though I like that area and no one plays there. I have tried a pin up 13 Shout at 3000 with a light hand polish and the line is good, but my carry is not. At straight 3000 it went high also.

Also I think your on the right track about the ball not slowing down corcertly if this means standing up or all three phases of lane. This happens when I come off the side to much correct, causing to much tilt which I work on all the time. This would mean more surface and or lower RG correct, but something that still clears the heads easily for the condition that I see, correct? And as for weight holes, I have none on the balls I use...P2.5 or a P3 would make them stand up?

Charlest, the house is proud for being known as a tougher THS and this is why I cannot get a pattern. It does give it to the lefty's as they look to have way more area from watching them. I think what makes a bit tougher on the RH people is carry and soft side boards. Most of my 10's are not flat and the majority of the time if I miss wide "I know" I am going to leave a 10 pin. I average about 1.3 per game the past few years and about 1.8 this year.

Topography dictates as much abt reaction as does conditioning as well as lane play

Wanting to play a part of the lane and the lane not allowing it is generally not the smartest way to attack or approach the lane...if the ball doesn't react or respond properly, this can result in bad carry or lack of as well as over/under reaction...my suggestion would be instead of trying to find a ball to create a desired reaction, try playing a different part of the lane or simply moving your target area closer to the pocket...
Playing the lanes improperly is one of the leading ways to trying to out bowl bad ball reaction it aint gonna happen

Got it....trying to learn this

Does this link of me at that house enhance your thoughts any?
http://youtu.be/VbsZKRKBsFg

My comment was geared more towards on how you like to play the lanes or see the lane...and laying the ball out accordingly...
The ball has a characteristic and the layout enhances it...
The Wrecker is a good piece for clean through the fronts and decent movement downlane...pin up will quicken transition but again, choose the correct ball for the condition

Rico  thanks as always fir your time responding mine and other post on here....much appreciated.

Like I said, I am trying to learn every day. Based on what you said above about the Wrecker and it characteristics (which I believe is more Skid/Snap) and to use a layout to enhance it (pin up is my guess) I have to ask you this....about half of the you tube vids are pin down it seems, not pin up....they must be attempting to smooth out the ball on a basic house shot given their specs, which is more speed and more revs then me. Correct?

Your suggestion to move my feet right has been noted. That was last year and I think that I may have improved off of that release to be less off the side with more speed. When I move my feet right, I get an early reaction and go Brooklyn more often then not. 

I know that a Rumble or a Outcry might be a better match up (smoother and less snap over the Wrecker) but I am a perfect reason why ball manufactures love bowlers like me...I just had to try a Wrecker, price wise and looks wise.

Pin up, or pin down is the question at this point....I would ask the Pro Shop person, but he has put heavy oil balls into some friends hands who have no speed..not going down that path.

Looking at a Pin Up...48 x 5 x 43 or Pin Down 60 x 4.25 x 73 as my two choices unless I am missing something

Pin up will help keep the ball on line easier and another idea to slow the ball down or smooth out reaction is a weight hole down
I don't get caught up in dual angles they mean nothing to me 😎 go pin up kick the CG out so that you have static pos side and thumb- 3/4 X 1/4 and this will allow you a weight hole basically anywhere

Thanks buddy

That's me BlasphemO

Nice play on words.



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