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Title: Collier Grip
Post by: the pooh on November 30, 2009, 03:49:21 PM: Can anyone post a link or website that tells how to drill a collier grip? I used to know how but it's been so long I forgot how. I have a customer that wants one. Thanks in advance.
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Title: Re: Collier Grip
Post by: stormed1 on December 01, 2009, 01:04:51 AM: Basically the Collier is about a 5/8" offset. The thumb is located straight down from the middle finger.
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Title: Re: Collier Grip
Post by: the pooh on December 02, 2009, 08:06:43 AM: bump.
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Title: Re: Collier Grip
Post by: sdbowler on December 02, 2009, 08:09:55 AM: quote:
Basically the Collier is about a 5/8" offset. The thumb is located straight down from the middle finger.
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I thought it was based of the angle of your thumb??
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Title: Re: Collier Grip
Post by: jbuzz31 on December 02, 2009, 08:25:12 AM: quote:
Basically the Collier is about a 5/8" offset. The thumb is located straight down from the middle finger.

That actually sounds kinda painful to hold the ball.....
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Title: Re: Collier Grip
Post by: BackToBasics on December 02, 2009, 11:15:40 AM: It's really easy to do. Basically, the middle finger and the thumb are drilled off of the same line. The ring finger is drilled off a parallel line to the right. It feels different than a offset. I used this drilling for about 17 years before switching to a conventional T (wanted to get more tilt and lower axis). If you really needed a pic, I could snap up one for you probably tomorrow when I swing by the shop.
Title: Re: Collier Grip
Post by: J_w73 on December 03, 2009, 09:52:13 PM: What are the benefits to this grip..?
How does it change your release and roll?
drawbacks?
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Title: Re: Collier Grip
Post by: Moon57 on December 04, 2009, 03:39:02 AM: This comes up every once in a while. If the span from the thumb to middle finger is correct and the span from the thumb to the ring finger is correct how can the thumb be offset? Offset from what? You can't offset the thumb from the centerline of the grip without changing the span on one of the finger holes. Maybe that's what's happening and since the grip now feels different people think of it as the thumb being offset, when really all that's happened is the span has changed on one of the fingers. Would really be interested in hearing a geometrical explanation on the offset thumb.
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Title: Re: Collier Grip
Post by: sawman1 on December 04, 2009, 07:57:03 AM: I have a document that shows this layout and how to measure it. If interested, pleas shoot me an email and I will forward it to you! I had similar questions awhile back, and was sent this. It makes for more of the ball on your hand for those with bigger, meatier hands. Keeps ball from hanging up while giving a much smoother release.
Title: Re: Collier Grip
Post by: Goof1073 on December 04, 2009, 08:23:02 AM: quote:
This comes up every once in a while. If the span from the thumb to middle finger is correct and the span from the thumb to the ring finger is correct how can the thumb be offset? Offset from what?
You're right...this does come up from time to time. Here's my take CLT's, Offset's, etc. are all methods of laying out a ball that can be translated back to a standard T-Grip. However, the different techniques (keeping everything else the same - pitches / spans) when measured back to a T-Grip will result in different pitches. As such I see these techniques as being set ways of quickly setting pitches differently to aid in a fit / release.
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Title: Re: Collier Grip
Post by: J_w73 on December 04, 2009, 08:52:45 AM: quote:
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This comes up every once in a while. If the span from the thumb to middle finger is correct and the span from the thumb to the ring finger is correct how can the thumb be offset? Offset from what?
You're right...this does come up from time to time. Here's my take CLT's, Offset's, etc. are all methods of laying out a ball that can be translated back to a standard T-Grip. However, the different techniques (keeping everything else the same - pitches / spans) when measured back to a T-Grip will result in different pitches. As such I see these techniques as being set ways of quickly setting pitches differently to aid in a fit / release.
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-Chris: DJ's Pro Shop : Auburn, MA

makes sense..
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Title: Re: Collier Grip
Post by: I Flush 8s on December 04, 2009, 08:25:10 PM: so if you dp this shift how much do u change the thumb pitch acomadate it and do u drop the ring finger any to compensate for the shift in the thunmb
Title: Re: Collier Grip
Post by: Juggernaut on December 05, 2009, 07:41:58 AM: I use a collier grip. To me, the biggest difference it makes is in the pitch of the thumbhole, due to being pitched in relation to a different point on the ball.

I use 1/4 reverse and 1/4 left lateral("away"). If measured of the true grip centerline, my pitches don't seem to be correct, but measured off the middlefinger/thumb line they seem to come out right every time.

When deaing with a round object (bowling ball) and anything at depth below the surface (gripping holes), you need to be able to visualize on a nearly 3-D basis.

Getting the holes on the surface in the proper arrangement (span) is only a part of the solution for me. Using the collier method also allows me to get the pitches in the proper relation to my thumb release angle.
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Title: Re: Collier Grip
Post by: LuckyLefty on December 11, 2009, 06:05:22 AM: I agree with Goof!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS different pitches are the result if one remeasure in the T grip if the pitches are drilled in relation to the offset lines!

REgards,

Luckylefty
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