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General Category => Drilling & Layouts => Topic started by: lefty50 on October 09, 2015, 08:55:43 AM
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I can't find my this in my notes, probably because I have too many.... :(
I have a ball that I get around way too much... much more so than anything else I have. I've checked specs, and the only difference is 1/8 left pitch (away pitch, I believe, since I'm left handed). Confirming... That could be the reason, correct? Left pitch would help a lefty get around the ball?
Thanks
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Lateral Pitch toward the palm would theoretically make you stay in the ball longer. I would look at the bevel. In many cases too much bevel will cause the ball to come off your hand early and it is typically overlooked.
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Sounds like I was way off in my thinking, but that's the only measurement that shows a difference. I am surprised though to hear that left lateral is toward the palm for a left hander... Didn't remember it that way...
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Sounds like I was way off in my thinking, but that's the only measurement that shows a difference. I am surprised though to hear that left lateral is toward the palm for a left hander... Didn't remember it that way...
Opposite for right handed bowlers.
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Thanks CC, that's what I was thinking... For a left hander, left lateral would describe a pitch away from center, not towards palm, correct?
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For a left hander, forward is toward the palm reverse away from palm. I think of these as "vertical" pitch.
Left horizontal or I suppose you are referring to as "lateral" is toward the palm/pinky finger; right horizontal/lateral is away from the palm.
The easiest way to see it is to think of a ball sitting with the holes turned up. Put your bowing hand in it.
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Not questioning anything Rico is saying. Unfortunately, a lot of bowlers confuse what the experts readily understand. I we people confusing the terms regularly during internet discussions.
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Rico, I wish you had the brainpower to see how confusing you make a simple question. I spend my days simplifying answers for people, so usually am a stickler on this point, o great one.... You've never had the ability to admit when you relate a confusing answer. As I've indicated before, why not just shut up and stop replying to any topic I submit. Please!
CC, ball with holes up is the answer. I would typically relate to the ball in my hand, not with holes on top. Makes all the sense in the world that way. Since left = palm, and towards palm = stay in the ball longer, then the singular difference I see in the measurements doesn't account for the difference in rotation. I'll re-check measurements and bevel, but I use very little bevel, so not sure that will be a factor.
Thanks
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Rico isn't confusing in the least, he actually makes the most sense of anyone on this site if you think about what he's saying. He very plainly and understandably stated the correct answer in his first reply. Left lateral for a lefty is towards their palm, which is the direction left. Left is left and right is right. Just like your left hand is your left hand because it's on the left side of your body. A hole with left lateral is just that, the center of the hole at the bottom will be left of center at the top, which is further under a lefty's palm. I'm not sure what's confusing about that.
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Everyone: please let it go.
We're trying to share information, facts, not force our opinions on everyone else.
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Its too bad that viable, useful info gets deleted because a crabby old man doesnt like it.
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I'll agree it's the only thing out there. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, as am I. But if you put it out there, don't automatically expect everybody to agree with you, unless you're a liberal of course... :)
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I can honestly say I'm done with this site after this...it's not my circus or my monkee...
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I can honestly say I'm done with this site after this...it's not my circus or my monkee...
And this is why we can't have nice things!
I've spoken at length about many a great thing about this sport with visionaries. Bill Taylor being one of them (R.I.P. Bill) Fitting, ball roll, etc etc. Rico is a very smart person. I get his concepts. They're not hard. I know because we've spoken.
What is hard is for someone whom is not in the business of making sure that a piece of equipment fits properly and is going to be the scapegoat if something goes wrong tries to understand advanced concepts about the pro shop world. It's not as simple as "Put holes in ball and throw". I haven't even read what Rico said, but I can tell you that it's not hard to understand if you have a pro shop background.
Now, the questions I would ask. How long is your thumb? What is the lateral on the ball that you get around vs your other stuff? For example, if your lateral is normally 0, is the ball in question 1/8 under (left)? How much forward/reverse is there? What is your span? Do you have an oval in the thumb? IT or regular slug?
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You don't know what you don't know. If there is standard terms and definitions to a particular job or skill and you do not understand the verbiage you have to either ask or go somewhere and learn. To say the wording is wrong as someone on the outside looking in doesn't make sense.
I've been on the outside looking in before and when I learned more about what was going on I was better able to join the conversation because the language made sense.
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One final thought...I may come across as egotistical or arrogance but I've spent my life learning & understanding the game of bowling...from the physical aspect to the mental to the technical...whether or not others choose to accept any of my misconceived knowledge is I guess up to them...I could only try
This site has turned into a forum of small fish in a pond wishing to be bigger...when one only chooses to see their view or opinion there isn't much can be done...they know it all
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Well said Rico. Well said.
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Just got a chance to read the new post. All I could say to myself is what the H?
Rico, I did not intend to imply anything about your post. I understood it and to me it was clear. Still, I know that there are novices, people out there who, like myself, are trying to learn and some concepts we have trouble grasping.
Personally, I appreciate your input and always try to read any information you are willing to impart. You do this for a living, and I understand that your participation on a site like this, has to be based, at least in part, on your desire to help others and love of the game. I would say, be true to yourself. If leaving this site is what you feel is the correct way to deal with negative responses, I wish you well, and will say thanks for your input. You have provided information that has helped me over the years. My response in this thread was simply my way of passing on my thought process that helped me to better visualize pitches as the term is used in the industry by you guys who don't have to give it a second thought.
If you took my post in this thread as being any thing negative toward you or what you said, again, that was not intended on my part. People don't realize how easy it is for typed conversations to be misunderstood. Nothing like talking to a person in person.
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I work in IT. I live IT. When I am talking IT to my family, sometimes they just want to know what time it is as opposed to me telling them how to build a clock. Some people just can't handle complex concepts.
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The only problem is that people think because they can tell time, that means they know how the clock works.
I work in IT. I live IT. When I am talking IT to my family, sometimes they just want to know what time it is as opposed to me telling them how to build a clock. Some people just can't handle complex concepts.
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Most tend to believe what THEY believe and honestly that's all there is...all reasoning removed
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Most tend to believe what THEY believe and honestly that's all there is...all reasoning removed
True. Brings to mind a saying oft quoted by my dad:
He who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool. Shun him.
He who knows not and knows that he knows not is a child. Teach him.
He who knows and knows not that he knows is asleep. Wake him.
He who knows and knows that he knows is wise. Listen to him
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It's not about knowing all of the right answers, but knowing where to find them.