Alright Dual Angle guys, I need some help. Looking for a good dual angle layout to put on a 900 Global Black Ops. I've tried a few different systems, including the dual angle system, to lay asymmetrical stuff out in the past, and have found very little success. The reaction never seems to be what the layout says it should have been. It's gotten frustrating enough that I just avoid asymmetrical stuff...that's not cool.

So, if someone could help, I'd appreciate it. Looking for a different perspective than my own. I shoot any of my "new" ideas down, so maybe coming from somewhere else will help lol.

Pap: 4 3/4 right, 1/2 up.
Axis Tilt: 10 degrees.
Axis Rotation: 70 degrees.
Speed: 16-16.5 on the monitor.
Revs: 375-400.

I typically bowl on a 41' heavy volume ths, on brunswick anvilane's. As for reaction I'm looking for, I want what everyone wants lol, decent mid lane read, hard arcing backend. Let's hear some thoughts guys. I appreciate it!

Oh, and before the obligatory, "go see your PSO" comments, I'm the PSO lol. I have no issue using the dual angle or the buffer system for customers, and stuff consistently rolls as the layouts would suggest. For myself though...it never seems quite right. Just looking for a new perspective. Thanks again.

what about a 90 to 105 x 4 x 45?  hard arc, easy midlane read... with it being a black ops it could be your benchmark ball w/ that layout..

Have you tried any longer pin to pap layouts yet to burn the rotation? I'm also higher rotation, low tilt and love the 50/5/40 layout on my Black Ops. You will most likely want to add surface because the ball can be quite sharp on fresh oil. It is one of the best balls I've had, and that's saying a lot if you knew how many balls I buy haha.

I've tried the typical, 45x4x45, and I've used some pin down layouts that were around 40x4 1/2x70. I tended to have more success with the pin down, higher val angle layouts, but more success than none still leaves a lot to be desired lol.

I've never tried a longer pin to pap distance than about 4 1/2, but it makes sense that I should. With my higher rotation maybe that'll give me the earlier roll thatll bring with it less over/under, and generally a more consistent roll. Maybe I'll try something like 65-70x5x40 or so. I really want to like this ball lol.

So I went with 50x5 1/4x40 and got to throw it tonight for league. Had I not known what ball I was throwing, I would have guessed it was symmetrical. NONE of the issues I typically have with asymmetricals were there. Either that's a testament to the layout, the ball, or a combination of both. Honestly, I was shocked by this ball's reaction. It's impressive. Great recovery, crazy drive. I love it. I might knock the polish off, to avoid leaving the 9 pins that I did, but what a ball.

Thanks for the help guys. Very rarely do I do ball videos, or even reviews, but I'll probably be doing one of each for this one. Great ball. As a bonus, even though it's all black, I've never seen all black look as good as this does. Doesn't hurt lol.

Matt