Author Topic: Core Torque?? (Read 9836 times)

LuckyLefty · « **on:** April 26, 2003, 09:07:36 PM »

One day I spoke to Del Warren on why I had such good luck with my Crimson Red Sledgehammer and then other days it was just so off as far as breakpoint shape.

He stated "That ball has a lot of core Torgue" "That's why when the breakpoint is right then it is a humumgous hiiting and carry." "Also when it is off, because of the amount of core torque it is really offf!

I also have a Pantera that is alluded to in Ebo's literature of having a lot of core torque also. I noted the large pancake block added to the 2 piece core. Vicious has a similar design.

What does core torgue do to ball reaction, hit, controllability.

Gurus?

REGards,

Luckylefty

charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** April 27, 2003, 01:00:01 PM »

I know cores have pin out and more or less mass bias.

I know balls seems to have what has been termed torque; some have more, some have less. I can see how cores with more mass bias can make the same cover seem to have more drive or flip at the entrypoint to the pins

BUT, I do not understand how a core can have torque?

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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #2 on:** April 27, 2003, 01:28:34 PM »

Hey,

That's my question!?

Go to Pantera ball description under Ebonite.
Note the term Core Torque, penned by big brain Brian Pursel!

Big Bowling Brain that guy!

REgards,

Luckylefty

charlest · « **Reply #3 on:** April 27, 2003, 02:24:05 PM »

The only thing I currently (4/27/03) see on the Pantera is this:

http://www.ebonite.com/prodeboant015.cfm
"Cat - Pantera
Style # 029744 101

The Pantera will be your choice to go hunting through that thick, heavily oiled jungle. Potent"

It is now listed under the dumb and awful title of "Antique Balls". It seems this webpage is incomplete.

Brickguy221 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 27, 2003, 10:15:17 PM »

BTM's defination of Core Torque is.....(their quote)....."This refers to the smoothness or flippiness of the ball at breakpoint. A high torque ball will flip the most; a low torque ball will have the most even break. Players who generate more torque through their release generally like balls with less torque. Bowlers who are "roll" bowlers generally have more success with the higher torque balls."

charlest · « **Reply #5 on:** April 28, 2003, 05:46:48 AM »

quote:
BTM's defination of Core Torque is.....(their quote)....."This refers to the smoothness or flippiness of the ball at breakpoint. A high torque ball will flip the most; a low torque ball will have the most even break. Players who generate more torque through their release generally like balls with less torque. Bowlers who are "roll" bowlers generally have more success with the higher torque balls."

But as you see in their description, the ball has torque, not the core. The more highly polished a ball is, the more it appears to have a higher amount of what they term "torque". Polished solids have more torque than dull solids; pearls have more torque than polished solids. I always view this, in BTM, as a measure of the amount or degree of skid/flip.

TheDude · « **Reply #6 on:** April 28, 2003, 11:21:31 AM »

If your trying to wrap your head around the terms "Torque" Think of the examples Del Warren and Mo Pinel have given us. A Freak/Frek-out/Mutant/SuperFreak all have "strong" cores. They have "strong" mass bias. The ball's( total ball not just the core's) ability to make a change in direction once the cover finds friction. The ball and core's ability to change it's path of direction towards the pins. That's what torque is about.

As previously stated bowlers with strong releases help to create torque, or essentially helping the ball change direction. bowlers with "weaker" releases need a bit more help from the ball/core to create that torque. This is where lift and revolution combine to create an effective roll. You can have a bowler with a higher revolution rate but no lift is applied and the ball will hook but only once it finds enough friction for the cover to make a change in direction. An example of this is spinning the ball. It is revolving at a high rate but there is no"drive" behind the ball.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #7 on:** April 28, 2003, 12:05:53 PM »

I stand corrected in a way.

On this site no mention of torque here at ballreviews.com.

On www.bowlingballreviews.com(part of the buddiesproshop site) under ebonite though they have the following.

"The "high torque lightbulb core".....

Regards,

Luckylefty
OS note this a symmetrical(low mass bias ball) with a pancake added to the lightbulb weightblock. Viscious (by B Purcell also) has a pancake added to its 2 picece weightblock. As did the Tiger= Pantera pearly cousin. Both listed as high torque and suitable for inside angles. Hmmmm.

REg

baiki · « **Reply #8 on:** May 08, 2003, 09:03:08 AM »

This is from BTM Jan. 97.

"Core Torgue,

Internal or core torgue refers to the mass distribution within the core and the internal lever arms created by the core. Core torgue is an assigned value of the balls ability to combat rollout, the complete loss of axis tilt. High torgue balls are more effective than lower torgue balls at delaying rollout.

Core torgue can also be one indicator of the type of reaction that a bowler can expect at the breakpoint with high torgue balls having the propensity to be more "violent" and the lower torgue balls tending to display a more even, predictable transition from skid to roll."

baiki
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't do or teach, writes. Bob Summerville, BTM Sept. 1997

charlest · « **Reply #9 on:** May 08, 2003, 12:51:42 PM »

Baiki,

This is the made-up definition of "core torque" by BTM, so readers will understand what they mean. AND the bottom line is they can talk about core torque all they wanted and this was 1997! Since then Sommerville, on more than one occasion, has said that you can't separate a coverstock from a core in the evaluation of a ball; well, for one reason, the degee of polish on a cover will add or subtract fron BTM's torque rating of a ball, with highly polished ball having higher torque ratings than matte, dull, or sanded balls, regardless of the core.

BTW BTM also defined core torque as the degree of flip at the breakpoint.

Edited on 5/9/2003 7:03 AM

baiki · « **Reply #10 on:** May 09, 2003, 08:41:41 AM »

Don't give me the credit.

As I wrote at the start, that's a direct quote from BTM.

baiki
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Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach. Those who can't do or teach, writes. Bob Summerville, BTM Sept. 1997

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