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Smokey469

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Drilling for no-thumber
« on: September 30, 2008, 01:19:47 AM »
There's a guy on my Friday night league that needs some advise.  He's a no-thumer and will not even entertain the thought of changing, believe me I've tried.  Problem is like many he struggles to keep the ball on the lane.  Over the summer he bought a new Cherry Vibe, and had it drilled pin over ring, he loved it at first(on oil) but now the shot is drier and he can't use it.  I was thinking of recommending he get it drilled pin up over the bridge, but the ball only has about a 2.5" pin, so I don't believe that will make enough of a difference from what he's got on it now.  So what do you guys think about a pin-axis drilling, or maybe rico?  Would these even work for him?  Any help is appreciated...
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2008, 10:21:30 AM »
I have a couple good no thumb bowlers and we put the pin under the middle finger or down and left of the middle finger if they don't track too high. THis will give them a good read with their rev rate.
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2008, 10:39:32 AM »
Yeah I had'nt thought of that, any other ideas?
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2008, 11:22:54 AM »
Drill it based on PAP.  There is nothing different....
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2008, 11:33:26 AM »
pin axis would help.
but most no thumbers  are supremely rev dominate.
so hes probably gonna need something less than a cherry vibe.
Maybe the razr, or Avalanche pearl, or Lane#1 Liberator or XXXL, or Columbia Jazz, or visionary B/G centaur polished or maybe a 900G Lynk, or .....im outta ideas lol
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Smokey469

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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2008, 02:26:15 PM »
Well I agree about the ball change as well.  I've told him that he needs something weaker, but he's determined to use the Vibe since he just bought it.  I'm not so sure how well pin-axis would work due to the shorter pin, any ideas?
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2008, 03:25:03 PM »
short pin just means he will have a weight hole near the axis. a rather large one.   or you could maybe do CG axis.
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2008, 03:27:16 PM »
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Well I agree about the ball change as well.  I've told him that he needs something weaker, but he's determined to use the Vibe since he just bought it.  I'm not so sure how well pin-axis would work due to the shorter pin, any ideas?
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Then how bout taking the cover up in grit or more polish or combination there of?
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Smokey469

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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2008, 06:41:45 PM »
Believe me, if this thing had any more polish, it'd be a marble!
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2008, 07:41:20 PM »
Why in all of these posts is noone else remotely referencing at PAP?

Drillings are based on PAP...there is no "magic" layout for a no-thumber.  You drill it based on a PAP and the revrate/tilt/ballspeed.

If he can't keep a cherry vibe on the lane...he probably needs more than a new layout.  Moving the pin 1/2" further from the PAP won't make a difference.

Also if he tracks high (which most no thumbers do) he will flare all over the fingers with a rico.
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2008, 08:24:36 PM »
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Believe me, if this thing had any more polish, it'd be a marble!
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2008, 10:58:17 PM »
Try taking the cover down in grit.  Most no-thumbers do have decent speed to match with revs even though they're rev dominant.  For most the backend snap is what kills them, taming down the kick at the back with a little surface may do the trick.  Try 2000 abralon, or lower to see how mellow he wants the ball.

Polishing a "drier lane" ball for hig rev guys usually equals over under.  Smoothing out the breakpoint allows for a more manageable reaction.


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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2008, 11:30:49 PM »
Im a no thumb 2 hander, and I have a couple layouts that work EXTREMEMLY well for taming out the dry. And thats all you really can do, smooth out the back end, as thats the biggest enemy of us no thumbers. I have found that pin axis on a mild solid reactive, such as a wizard works VERY well for the fresh, to just starting to break down lanes. The cover of the ball wants to be smooth and earlier with any layout, and the pin axis eliminates the flip on the back end and most flare for that matter, for a very controllable reaction. Also I found that a very strange layout KILLS it on the dry for me. I have a Big R bang that is layed out label for a right hander, and Im lefty. Its the most tame reaction I could ask for, and I ABSOLUTELY light up the house when its dry with it. The negative drill just makes for SUCH a smooth reaction. Over reaction on the backend is completely erased from the equation. It cuts down the total hook potential of most any ball to the minimum, which is exactly what no thumbers need. I suggest either of the 2 for your friend.

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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2008, 11:43:51 AM »
Nobody asked ball speed questions?  Also, does he track the ball like a full roller?
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Re: Drilling for no-thumber
« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2008, 06:12:00 PM »
That IS a nifty concept!!

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