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bowlingjunkie

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Dual Angle Layout help
« on: January 20, 2013, 11:06:57 AM »
Hello Everyone,

 I have been reading comments from Ballreviews.com for a very long time but just now took the time to register so I'm a  newbie.

 I have been bowling for many years, and am a speed dominant bowler. Most of my equipment has always been drilled stack leverage. I went to my pro shop guy the other day to purchase a new ball (714C) and he said he could give me a much better layout if he used the dual angle procedure. So I find my PAP to be 6 1/8 ". I go back to the pro shop and when he lays the ball out, he said he wouldn't recommend it because the core was flipped to far so he drilled it the same as the rest. My question is can the dual layout really not be used with a PAP that large or do I have other options?

Thanks in advance for any help!

 

bowlingjunkie

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Re: Dual Angle Layout help
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2013, 07:33:54 PM »
Jason,

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Re: Dual Angle Layout help
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2013, 08:23:45 PM »
And I forgot to mention that I'm a lefty.

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Re: Dual Angle Layout help
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2013, 09:00:20 PM »
Emails have been sent. :)
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bowlingjunkie

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Re: Dual Angle Layout help
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2013, 04:48:06 PM »
Here are three of my favorite balls with the best shot of the layout I could take.

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Re: Dual Angle Layout help
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2013, 04:55:50 PM »
Doom, most of my stuff have an extra hole. He said he was wanting to keep the total of the angles below 100*. That part was getting over my head. He said something about it being way too far over if he laid it out like  50*x30*

Ok, that's understandable. Different sums work for different games. Personally, I have balls with sums as little as 60, and as much as 140. They are drilled that way for different reactions. I find the sweet spot for me to be around 110. But you should get what it is you want. The lower the angles, the quicker the response to friction. So, if the second measurement was 30 degrees (Which is pin height), with all other factors (Pin to pap and MB angle) being the same, it would respond quicker to friction than a 60 degree angle.

Does that make sense? Dual angle used to be a little confusing to me, and I used to run a pro shop. But once I got it, it's very simple, and helps you understand your equipment much better.

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Re: Dual Angle Layout help
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2013, 07:22:42 PM »
I think Mo posted that when finding your pap with a low flaring ball you have to adjust the distant for a higher flaring ball! I believe if the ball was a low flare plastic ball you adjusted your pap by 3/4" and the Sumo urethane was/is a lower flaring ball. Just a thought and check your pap on a stronger ball and measure your pap to see the difference!! Just a thought and my $.02, Bruce
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Re: Dual Angle Layout help
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2013, 05:31:02 AM »
Junkie-

Thanks for the pics.  Your pap on high flaring equipment is probably somewhere near 5 1/2 to 5 3/4 straight over.  The reason your pro shop guy doesn't want to drill using t is because its not going to look like "a typical layout" for most players.  None of those balls are drilled with a pin 3 3/8" from your pap which is the definition of leverage.  As a speed dominate player try a 40 x 3 3/4" x 40 ill draw it on a ball tonight and show you would it should look like.

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Re: Dual Angle Layout help
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2013, 08:43:54 PM »
Thanks guys for all your help. It has been very educational.