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JohnN

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Flare and flip
« on: October 20, 2018, 08:35:41 AM »
So, what is the difference between maximum flip and maximum flare ?

 

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Re: Flare and flip
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2018, 10:23:39 AM »
So, what is the difference between maximum flip and maximum flare ?

Lot of variables but maximum flip often occurs with less flare because when a ball is flaring more fresh surface of the ball in hitting the lane which is generating friction and slowing down the ball, bleeding off rotational energy and depending hooking as well.  When a ball stores more of its energy for the back half of the lane it has more energy to turn left at the end when it exits the oil, sees the dry friction and generates maximum flip.  Maximum hook generally occurs with more flare (up to a point) which starts earlier and is more even.  Lot of other variables in involved but 10000 foot view. 

(edit: maximum flare doesn't necessary mean maximum hook depending on ball, surface, style and conditions as its complicated)
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Re: Flare and flip
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2018, 01:10:15 PM »
Reason I ask is that I am going to have a new ball drilled (Katana Dragon ) and am looking at different layouts . Looking to get max hook out of the ball and plan on not having a balance hole used. Low to medium speed and revs.

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Re: Flare and flip
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2018, 01:15:16 PM »
So, what is the difference between maximum flip and maximum flare ?

Lot of variables but maximum flip often occurs with less flare because when a ball is flaring more fresh surface of the ball in hitting the lane which is generating friction and slowing down the ball, bleeding off rotational energy and depending hooking as well.  When a ball stores more of its energy for the back half of the lane it has more energy to turn left at the end when it exits the oil, sees the dry friction and generates maximum flip.  Maximum hook generally occurs with more flare (up to a point) which starts earlier and is more even.  Lot of other variables in involved but 10000 foot view. 

(edit: maximum flare doesn't necessary mean maximum hook depending on ball, surface, style and conditions as its complicated)

Well stated, you couldn’t of described it any better.

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Re: Flare and flip
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2018, 01:17:16 PM »
Reason I ask is that I am going to have a new ball drilled (Katana Dragon ) and am looking at different layouts . Looking to get max hook out of the ball and plan on not having a balance hole used. Low to medium speed and revs.

Typed up long winded post but should ask a few questions first.  What conditions do you plan on using the Dragon on?  Are you dead set on this ball?  That ball is pretty condition specific and honestly if its anything like the Radical More Cash or The Fix will kind of suck on anything less than a fairly heavy volume of oil (according to reviews requires even more, this ball is pretty much for fresh heavy long sport patterns only for most bowlers).  The More Cash is especially garbage on regular medium volume house shot at least for me.

I strongly recommend you talk to some other really good bowlers in your area and find a good bowling pro shop operator who can watch you bowl, get your stats and make an expert recommendation of ball and drilling based on what you need for conditions you see. 
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