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General Category => Drilling & Layouts => Topic started by: Anaconda on October 12, 2012, 09:33:58 PM

Title: Full roller drilling
Post by: Anaconda on October 12, 2012, 09:33:58 PM

How is it possible a full roller drilling would work for me, i have a low track.I tried posting a pic but it said the file was to large.

Title: Re: Full roller drilling
Post by: JohnP on October 13, 2012, 07:49:17 PM

Like any other layout the total flare is primarily determined by the pin to PAP distance.  Do you know what that is for this ball?  The intent of the full roller layouts is to reverse the flare so the track flare moves away from instead of into the gripping holes.  If your track is low enough the reversed flare still doesn't move the track into the thumb hole, so it becomes like any other layout.  If you could post the dual angles and pin to PAP distance it should shed some insight.  --  JohnP

Title: Re: Full roller drilling
Post by: Anaconda on October 13, 2012, 08:00:26 PM

Thanks, i'll try to get that info.If i could figure out how to post a pic of it i would.

Title: Re: Full roller drilling
Post by: Anaconda on October 17, 2012, 07:40:37 PM

Here is a pic of the drilling.


http://s1296.beta.photobucket.com/user/holeymoley54/media/Eraserdrilling002_zps1c977b33.jpg.html

Title: Re: Full roller drilling
Post by: tdub36tjt on October 17, 2012, 08:11:52 PM

I track pretty high but I have been throwing a friends full roller stuff. All I can say is that his stuff flat out hooks for me. His stuff covers more boards that most of my stuff does. The layout reverses my track flare so I murder the thumb hole but it all rolls really good for me.

Title: Re: Full roller drilling
Post by: JohnP on October 17, 2012, 09:25:54 PM

I finally got around to reading the fall edition of ProShop Operator, and there is an article by Dennis Bergendorf about unusual layouts that included the following on use of the full roller layout for lower 3/4 track players.

"This is for bowlers who want to tame, not enhance, ball movement.  The pin being left of the thumb (possibly in the track) stabilizes flare in balls with higher diff.  Liz Johnson has had success with the full roller.  The pin being as far as 7 1/2" from the PAP may be even more dynamic than the more common placement of near the big finger hole.

"Higher track bowlers may find this layout causes the ball to roll over the thumb hole." 
--  JohnP

Title: Re: Full roller drilling
Post by: Strapper_Squared on October 18, 2012, 08:26:40 AM

Is that a full roller layout?  Looks pretty standard to me...

Title: Re: Full roller drilling
Post by: JohnP on October 18, 2012, 10:20:36 AM

Yes, it refers to the "standard" full roller layout with the pin at 7 - 7:30 and 3 3/8" from grip center.  This layout reverses the flare so a full roller flares away from the gripping holes.  A high 3/4 roller will flare into the thumb hole.  Since the article was written for pro shop professionals the author assumed the readers would know what a full roller layout is.  --  JohnP

Title: Re: Full roller drilling
Post by: Anaconda on October 18, 2012, 05:35:57 PM

The ball rolls smooth but has just enough pop on the back end. :)

Title: Re: Full roller drilling
Post by: Strapper_Squared on October 19, 2012, 07:40:37 AM

I should clarify... My comment above was referring to the posted photo of the ball.  Pin appears above right of ring, mb just right of thumb.  Was questioning whether the photo was a full roller layout...
Scott

Title: Re: Full roller drilling
Post by: tdub36tjt on October 19, 2012, 08:24:31 AM

There is a picture of a bounty you are looking at, the full roller is an eraser....

Title: Re: Full roller drilling
Post by: JohnP on October 19, 2012, 06:04:36 PM

Picture 4 of 4 is a full roller layout, although it looks like they shortened the pin to grip center distance from the normal 3 3/8".  The other three pictures are a regular layout.  --  JohnP