Author Topic: Hey Drillers will this help!!!!! (Read 4917 times)

lane1baller · « **on:** January 27, 2014, 10:53:58 AM »

Just got around to throwing my Storm Iq tour fusion on a fresh house shot and when the ball starts to pick up and hook it's really slow and lazy. Would adjusting the p3 hole help. It's drilled 50x3 3/8 x 25 with a p3 3/4 in and 2.5 inches deep.

Please help

Thanks

DP3 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 27, 2014, 11:44:17 AM »

You have to remember, the IQ Tours are all low RG balls, so the core wants to start revving a little early anyway. When you add a 3 3/8ths pin that's going to make it rev up even earlier, then a P3 hole which gets the ball revving up even more. What's going to be left for the last 15 feet?

The 3 3/8ths pin placement with the P3 hole is getting the core to spin up and kill before it even hits the breakpoint. What you did there was use the two strongest elements in drilling to negate the backend of a ball that naturally wants to go long and make a big move down lane. I would either plug/redrill, sell it for a nice dollar and purchase a new one, plug the weighthole and maybe add a "Motion Hole" if you can get the statics legal, or put a little surface on it and use the ball when you have to go more direct and up the lane. That layout that you have in it now will NOT be something you can stand left throw right and get it to jump off the spot.

lane1baller · « **Reply #2 on:** January 27, 2014, 11:54:18 AM »

Even with my high tilt of 30 degrees which equals skid. That's why it was drilled this way. I like to play up ten or twelve

vkowalski1970 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 27, 2014, 02:38:13 PM »

Take the polish off of it, you are very high tilt, you have a ball that doesnt flare a ton even drilled strong.You do need to burn off tilt but Id try no polish first....if that doesnt do it maybe plug the p3 and see what it does and then decide a x hole from there.

I have my asylum drilled 60x4x40 p3 and its a monster on fresh mediums, ofcourse it has a surface of 3000...my tilt is 26 degrees.

Impending Doom · « **Reply #4 on:** January 27, 2014, 03:03:28 PM »

Quote from: DP3 on January 27, 2014, 11:44:17 AM

You have to remember, the IQ Tours are all low RG balls, so the core wants to start revving a little early anyway. When you add a 3 3/8ths pin that's going to make it rev up even earlier, then a P3 hole which gets the ball revving up even more. What's going to be left for the last 15 feet?

The 3 3/8ths pin placement with the P3 hole is getting the core to spin up and kill before it even hits the breakpoint. What you did there was use the two strongest elements in drilling to negate the backend of a ball that naturally wants to go long and make a big move down lane. I would either plug/redrill, sell it for a nice dollar and purchase a new one, plug the weighthole and maybe add a "Motion Hole" if you can get the statics legal, or put a little surface on it and use the ball when you have to go more direct and up the lane. That layout that you have in it now will NOT be something you can stand left throw right and get it to jump off the spot.

+1. If you like to play up 10 or 12 on a THS, you've drilled this ball way too strong.

vkowalski1970 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 27, 2014, 03:25:13 PM »

This ball is not that strong....he needs a 3-4 inch pin to pap to burn off tilt....30 degrees is very high..... Unless he is bowling on burnt up lanes it should not be burning up, his 30 degrees of tilt will push the ball down lane naturally...I can tell you on fresh medium oil with a 1500 polished surface I would have trouble making the turn unless there is a very defined dry spot. I am 17 mph....26 tilt, 45 rotation and 350 revs...i need surface on fresh.....I would really try removing the polish....with his tilt and 25 val angle if he finds a defined dry spot it will come off the spot quick. I would bet its still sliding in the fresh oil...Ive battled polished ball on fresh oil my whole life, i need some burn to throw them no matter how "strong" the ball is. High tilt and polish are not friends!!

Rightycomplex · « **Reply #6 on:** January 27, 2014, 03:48:33 PM »

Quote from: lane1baller on January 27, 2014, 11:54:18 AM

Even with my high tilt of 30 degrees which equals skid. That's why it was drilled this way. I like to play up ten or twelve

But if there is a lot of friction, it won't matter what your tilt is, friction+low rg ball+strong layout= burn up. Also add in the fact that it's a 3 3/8 pin to PAP and a shot VAL angle. The P3 is going to strengthen and move the PSA closer to the VAL so the ball is really going to get started. I'd plug the ball and redrill it with a longer pin distance.

DP3 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 27, 2014, 04:13:45 PM »

First time in 4 years I've given someone a professional answer (the right answer BTW) to try and help them out and right away it's negated without any logical rebuttal to counterpoint.

Now I remember why I stopped posting here. Professional advice isn't valued if it's not the answer that the person wants to hear in the first place. Back to under the hole I crawled out of for good this time.

P.S. A perfect pocket strike is with the center of the ball finishing on the 17 1/2" board. If you're playing up "10-12" as you say and you can't get the ball to move 5-6 boards on a house shot and carry, then I don't know what to tell you. You could always blame it on your pro shop, Storm as a company, the lane maintenance man, front desk at the center, porter, or anybody that could get you another new ball for your troubles with this IQ Tour Fusion that magically doesn't work.

vkowalski1970 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 27, 2014, 04:19:39 PM »

I don't think anyone condemned or stated your answer was wrong at all. Just giving opinions and other things to try first. If the ball needs to be re drilled so be it. I just offered up what I experience being a high tilt player. Now granted "fresh" oil means a lot of things to a lot of people. I do agree if there is a tin of friction there the ball is dead. Just trying to double check everything. I've struggled with layouts before being high tilt.

Impending Doom · « **Reply #9 on:** January 27, 2014, 04:26:44 PM »

Yeah, there are reasons why people now use leverage layouts to play straighter. When the ball burns up early, it can't jump off the dry.

mattypizon · « **Reply #10 on:** January 27, 2014, 05:08:00 PM »

It's difficult to advise without seeing you in person or knowing the shot your bowling on but going strictly off your post I highly recommend you change surface before doing anything else.

Throw the ball as is and watch the reaction. Then take it down to 1000 and throw it again. The results will speak for themselves. With your extremely high tilt that layout should have a fairly sharp breakpoint but if the surface isn't allowing the ball the chance to transition you'll never see it.

You can also place a piece of tape from your pap to above your fingers and post a video of you throwing it. That will help us see what it's really doing.

But honestly surface is your easiest fix. You can alter it many ways until you get it dialed in. And if that doesn't work you have a ball that will sell in a flash used!

Best regards.

Rightycomplex · « **Reply #11 on:** January 27, 2014, 06:11:02 PM »

Quote from: DP3 on January 27, 2014, 04:13:45 PM

First time in 4 years I've given someone a professional answer (the right answer BTW) to try and help them out and right away it's negated without any logical rebuttal to counterpoint.

Now I remember why I stopped posting here. Professional advice isn't valued if it's not the answer that the person wants to hear in the first place. Back to under the hole I crawled out of for good this time.

P.S. A perfect pocket strike is with the center of the ball finishing on the 17 1/2" board. If you're playing up "10-12" as you say and you can't get the ball to move 5-6 boards on a house shot and carry, then I don't know what to tell you. You could always blame it on your pro shop, Storm as a company, the lane maintenance man, front desk at the center, porter, or anybody that could get you another new ball for your troubles with this IQ Tour Fusion that magically doesn't work.

LOL!

Impending Doom · « **Reply #12 on:** January 27, 2014, 06:25:35 PM »

DP3, I would buy you a dang drink. No lie.

Author Topic: Hey Drillers will this help!!!!! (Read 4917 times)

lane1baller

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