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JessN16

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Drilled a ball with the "Tommy Jones" layout today...
« on: March 25, 2008, 01:44:57 PM »
...and took it to league. This despite some warnings I'd gotten here against it.

The ball was a Dyno-Thane Threshold. I picked this ball because it was an assym and I happened to steal it for about $45 on eBay last week even though it had great specs (4-inch pin, 2.0 top) and was NIB.

The drilling makes the pin go high above the fingers, about 1 inch from the VAL. MB ends up right above the thumb.

I left the ball in box finish (1000 matte) just to get a baseline, and tested it against three balls of known reaction to see what I had.

What I had was a friggin' monster. Easy length even with this very aggressive ball, surface prep and condition. Our house is medium-dry on most nights but tonight was more medium at the start than usual. I could play angles with this ball that I couldn't play with anything else in my bag, especially deep.

One of the most interesting aspects to this drilling was the look of the ball as it went through the pins. If there's a thing as rolling "too heavy," this ball was dancing on the borderline of it. No deflection that I could see through the pins, which made it nice for lighter leaves but really made me nervous on higher hits.

The ball has good length and is not unpredictable downlane. I was expecting a skid/flip monster from some of the descriptions here but that's not what I got. Maybe I would if the surface was tuned differently. As it was, I got a very strong ball that did most of its hooking at the end of the mids, made more of an arc/drive rather than a flip, and just kept going. Now I'm going to have to rethink my eight-ball tournament arsenal.

Jess

 

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Re: Drilled a ball with the "Tommy Jones" layout today...
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2008, 09:56:31 PM »
I'd be interested to hear how this layout turns out when drawn up using the dual angle layout...
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Re: Drilled a ball with the "Tommy Jones" layout today...
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2008, 09:59:34 PM »
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I'd be interested to hear how this layout turns out when drawn up using the dual angle layout...
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I'm doing some work in the shop tomorrow night and I'll try to reverse-engineer a layout for you.

If you want to attempt it yourself, take the ball specs I mentioned and use my specs (PAP 4 over 3/8 up) on a dummy ball and see what you end up with.

Jess

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Re: Drilled a ball with the "Tommy Jones" layout today...
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2008, 10:08:22 PM »
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I'd be interested to hear how this layout turns out when drawn up using the dual angle layout...
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I'm doing some work in the shop tomorrow night and I'll try to reverse-engineer a layout for you.

If you want to attempt it yourself, take the ball specs I mentioned and use my specs (PAP 4 over 3/8 up) on a dummy ball and see what you end up with.

Jess


Don't have the time this evening, or the ideal tools to do so...
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Re: Drilled a ball with the "Tommy Jones" layout today...
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2008, 02:19:54 AM »
if you reverse engineer the "trick tj" it translates to a 80 degree by 5 inch by 20 degree hole at axis if needed.
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Re: Drilled a ball with the "Tommy Jones" layout today...
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2008, 11:10:05 PM »
Can you show a pic of the ball?
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Re: Drilled a ball with the "Tommy Jones" layout today...
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2008, 01:25:13 AM »

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Re: Drilled a ball with the "Tommy Jones" layout today...
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2008, 09:09:49 AM »
Looks cool, what exactly is the Tommy Jones layout and why does he use this trick layout?

Also, let us now how it works when you try it on some different houses and patterns.

Thanks...looks awesome

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Re: Drilled a ball with the "Tommy Jones" layout today...
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2008, 12:06:06 PM »
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Looks cool, what exactly is the Tommy Jones layout and why does he use this trick layout?

Also, let us now how it works when you try it on some different houses and patterns.

Thanks...looks awesome


As far as I know, he uses it to get the ball further down the lane. The two things that make it what it is are the MB above the thumb (notated by the "CAP" in the pictures) and the high pin. The camera angle doesn't do the pin height justice; it's *way* above my fingers and comes within about 1 inch of the VAL.

Jess

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Re: Drilled a ball with the "Tommy Jones" layout today...
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2008, 01:34:40 PM »
WARNING: this layout should really only be used by higher rev players. Its designed to get down the lane farther and have a very aggressive backend reaction.
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to thinking that if they buy a new ball they will carry everything. And its even funnier when im carrying with my 15 year old ball and they're going flat ten.

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Re: Drilled a ball with the "Tommy Jones" layout today...
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2008, 01:49:38 PM »
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WARNING: this layout should really only be used by higher rev players. Its designed to get down the lane farther and have a very aggressive backend reaction.
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to thinking that if they buy a new ball they will carry everything. And its even funnier when im carrying with my 15 year old ball and they're going flat ten.


I wouldn't necessarily describe myself as "higher-rev" but the rest of that description fits exactly what I get out of the ball.

Jess

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Re: Drilled a ball with the "Tommy Jones" layout today...
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2008, 04:14:53 PM »
Walter, check out my videos on youtube, because I don't know what to consider myself...

I've been told I'm a med/high rev guy with med/high speed.
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Re: Drilled a ball with the "Tommy Jones" layout today...
« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2008, 12:35:45 PM »
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WARNING: this layout should really only be used by higher rev players. Its designed to get down the lane farther and have a very aggressive backend reaction.
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to thinking that if they buy a new ball they will carry everything. And its even funnier when im carrying with my 15 year old ball and they're going flat ten.


This layout is not really designed to be aggressive on the backend.  Tommy used it well on the US Open type patterns.  His longer balls came of the spot way too hard giving him an over/under reaction.  He couldn't get his smoother balls down the lane well enough.  This layout helped him get the ball down the lane (5" pin to PAP) and be rolly off the spot.  This "rollyness" is why the ball pukes for lower rev players.  I tried this layout with 2 balls, both were junk for me.  I just don't rev it enough anymore.  The Total NV worked pretty well with light 500 Abralon by hand on the Chameleon pattern ONE time.  Everybody was playing from deep and I could get that ball to roll up at the pocket and stop from 4th arrow or deeper.  Carry was still pretty good surprisingly.  Not a good layout for me.  Your mileage may vary.......


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Re: Drilled a ball with the "Tommy Jones" layout today...
« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2008, 06:55:00 PM »
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WARNING: this layout should really only be used by higher rev players. Its designed to get down the lane farther and have a very aggressive backend reaction.
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Im so glad people are brainwashed to thinking that if they buy a new ball they will carry everything. And its even funnier when im carrying with my 15 year old ball and they're going flat ten.


This layout is not really designed to be aggressive on the backend.  Tommy used it well on the US Open type patterns.  His longer balls came of the spot way too hard giving him an over/under reaction.  He couldn't get his smoother balls down the lane well enough.  This layout helped him get the ball down the lane (5" pin to PAP) and be rolly off the spot.  This "rollyness" is why the ball pukes for lower rev players.  I tried this layout with 2 balls, both were junk for me.  I just don't rev it enough anymore.  The Total NV worked pretty well with light 500 Abralon by hand on the Chameleon pattern ONE time.  Everybody was playing from deep and I could get that ball to roll up at the pocket and stop from 4th arrow or deeper.  Carry was still pretty good surprisingly.  Not a good layout for me.  Your mileage may vary.......


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That's a pretty good description of the "danger zone" with this layout (i.e., rev count), because if I don't get a good hand in the ball it does have a tendency to roll out and leave weird carry. Most of the time, it's fine for me, but I can't go to sleep on it.

Jess