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General Category => Drilling & Layouts => Topic started by: billdozer on September 11, 2015, 04:36:40 PM

Title: High top weight, short pin
Post by: billdozer on September 11, 2015, 04:36:40 PM
I know that it should be a pin under the fingers layout, gotcha.


I ordered a bulk order of balls, most were great 1st quality specs. However I got a few odd balls...like 1-2 inch pins..fine. 

What do I do with 1-2 in pin AND 5oz top weight?

Does that just mean pin down hole ________?

Sorry if it a dumb question...I am no proshop operator, I know what works for me through trial and error...and I am hooking all my friends up with NIB equipment...so I don't want to give the ball a home if the specs are terrible...I already know the PSO is going to have a cow...

Anyhow let me know what u think..

Thanks
Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: milorafferty on September 11, 2015, 04:41:26 PM
Wouldn't 5 oz of top weight make it a 2nd?
Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: billdozer on September 11, 2015, 05:00:09 PM
Wouldn't 5 oz of top weight make it a 2nd?

Right, but stay on topic.  It was a super deal.  Regardless...

Drilling the fingers is like 2oz right? Weight hole is another 1oz...as long as its under 2 after drilling were ok right?

I just need to have an answer that 5oz can or cannot be drilled..
Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: BradleyInIrving on September 11, 2015, 05:08:45 PM
Under 3 top and you're good.. 
Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: billdozer on September 11, 2015, 05:17:45 PM
Under 3 top and you're good.. 

So...deep fingers and were fine?
Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: milorafferty on September 11, 2015, 05:21:07 PM
Wouldn't 5 oz of top weight make it a 2nd?

Right, but stay on topic.  It was a super deal.  Regardless...

Drilling the fingers is like 2oz right? Weight hole is another 1oz...as long as its under 2 after drilling were ok right?

I just need to have an answer that 5oz can or cannot be drilled..

I think the top limit is 3 oz. I ran into an issue with my Covert Revolt last year in Reno. Same situation, short pin, but 4 oz of top. It was right at three oz after drilling, one day they said okay, next day said it had too much top. My cg was very close to the center of grip so a weight hole would be in an odd place, so I left it as is.

If you can get the cg over where you can put a reasonable weight hole, you should be able to make it legal.
Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: milorafferty on September 11, 2015, 05:22:02 PM
Under 3 top and you're good.. 

So...deep fingers and were fine?

Depends, if you drill the fingers too deep, you start adding more top.
Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: billdozer on September 11, 2015, 05:23:51 PM
Wouldn't 5 oz of top weight make it a 2nd?

Right, but stay on topic.  It was a super deal.  Regardless...

Drilling the fingers is like 2oz right? Weight hole is another 1oz...as long as its under 2 after drilling were ok right?

I just need to have an answer that 5oz can or cannot be drilled..

I think the top limit is 3 oz. I ran into an issue with my Covert Revolt last year in Reno. Same situation, short pin, but 4 oz of top. It was right at three oz after drilling, one day they said okay, next day said it had too much top. My cg was very close to the center of grip so a weight hole would be in an odd place, so I left it as is.

If you can get the cg over where you can put a reasonable weight hole, you should be able to make it legal.

Damn.  I think its the only bad one of my order. 

Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: billdozer on September 11, 2015, 05:25:02 PM
Does anyone have a pic of a layout that would work in suh a case?
Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: milorafferty on September 11, 2015, 05:26:37 PM
Wouldn't 5 oz of top weight make it a 2nd?

Right, but stay on topic.  It was a super deal.  Regardless...

Drilling the fingers is like 2oz right? Weight hole is another 1oz...as long as its under 2 after drilling were ok right?

I just need to have an answer that 5oz can or cannot be drilled..

I think the top limit is 3 oz. I ran into an issue with my Covert Revolt last year in Reno. Same situation, short pin, but 4 oz of top. It was right at three oz after drilling, one day they said okay, next day said it had too much top. My cg was very close to the center of grip so a weight hole would be in an odd place, so I left it as is.

If you can get the cg over where you can put a reasonable weight hole, you should be able to make it legal.

Damn.  I think its the only bad one of my order. 



If you don't take it to the Open (or a regional) you will be fine as it will never be weighed. :-)

However, if you do take it to Reno this year and it's close, you can do what I did. I took it like I was going to have a weight hole drilled, then just removed the finger inserts. The idiots at the scale didn't know any different. Once in the squad room, I put them back in.  ;D
Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: xrayjay on September 11, 2015, 05:33:05 PM
cheater. ;D
Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: milorafferty on September 11, 2015, 05:38:25 PM
cheater. ;D

Oh hell yea I am.  ;D
Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: xrayjay on September 11, 2015, 05:42:44 PM
cheater. ;D

Oh hell yea I am.  ;D

You need to stop hang'n with asians from NorCal.
Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: milorafferty on September 11, 2015, 05:47:01 PM
cheater. ;D

Oh hell yea I am.  ;D

You need to stop hang'n with asians from NorCal.

I live in Stockton. Probably 75% of everyone I know speaks Tagalog.  ;D
Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: xrayjay on September 11, 2015, 05:50:24 PM
cheater. ;D

Oh hell yea I am.  ;D

You need to stop hang'n with asians from NorCal.

I live in Stockton. Probably 75% of everyone I know speaks Tagalog.  ;D

hahahahaha
Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: bowlingman817 on September 11, 2015, 05:56:15 PM
I just want to know what ball this is thats causing all this commotion.
Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: kidlost2000 on September 11, 2015, 08:25:53 PM
You only need to remover 2 ozs of top weight. That is pretty east when you consider two finger holes and a thumb hole. Especially if you use any of the interchangeable grip systems.

Is a diagram for options on a ball with a short 1" pin or so. If you keep the cg close to the center grip line, and the pin in some pretty common areas used by most bowlers after drilling the finger holes and thumb hole you should have taken out 2 ozs. You can always come back and drill the fingers or thumb a little deeper if needed but I think you will be okay.


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Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: billdozer on September 11, 2015, 09:04:04 PM
 :-\Thanks kid.  You're the best at story problems. 

Most likely it will go to a guy who averages 170 with his buddies ball, and will be glad to not pay alot for his own. 

From what I saw I got 3/28 with "2nd" specs...some of those were short pin, normal top weight so that's not bad at all. I just had that one weird one.

The other 25 are damn near perfect...

Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: kidlost2000 on September 11, 2015, 09:28:07 PM
Out of 28 balls, short pins typically aren't 2nds, the 5oz top weight is pretty close I would think.

Id say you got a great deal.At least I hope if you bought 28 balls lol
Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: billdozer on September 12, 2015, 06:32:18 AM
It seemed they were simply mixed cartons...2 had perfect specs, 1 decent, 1 bad. 

Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: billdozer on September 12, 2015, 06:33:13 AM
You only need to remover 2 ozs of top weight. That is pretty east when you consider two finger holes and a thumb hole. Especially if you use any of the interchangeable grip systems.

Is a diagram for options on a ball with a short 1" pin or so. If you keep the cg close to the center grip line, and the pin in some pretty common areas used by most bowlers after drilling the finger holes and thumb hole you should have taken out 2 ozs. You can always come back and drill the fingers or thumb a little deeper if needed but I think you will be okay.


(https://www.ballreviews.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi250.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg252%2Fsoundcontrol%2Flayout.jpg&hash=98684b85657b0e39210cbe6c782b3452eb5ee263) (http://s250.photobucket.com/user/soundcontrol/media/layout.jpg.html)

Do you recommend a high rev player or low rev?
Title: Re: High top weight, short pin
Post by: kidlost2000 on September 12, 2015, 08:21:34 AM
For most bowlers this will allow for layouts in the 4.5" to 5.5" range from pap. Depending on the ball that should really work for anyone.

You just don't have pin above the fingers as an option which isn't a big deal because your pin to pap options are still pretty good.