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Title: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: TheGom on April 07, 2016, 01:05:12 PM
Going from 1/4 to 5/8 R in my fingers....do I adjust my span length for this change?

Thanks
Title: Re: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: lefty50 on April 08, 2016, 09:29:05 AM
Hi. Bumping this to the top for you so the heavy weights can answer. I know the answer is yes, but when I asked the same question there were varying opinions on how much, and most of the answers were in units of furlongs per fortnight....  :)
Title: Re: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: tommymo on April 08, 2016, 03:47:35 PM
I would adjust it +1/16th in each finger
Title: Re: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: bullred on April 08, 2016, 04:50:48 PM
Define reverse in fingers.  To me 5/8 reverse is toward the thumb.  In todays game where you don't want to lift on the ball, what are you trying to accomplish????
Title: Re: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: Aloarjr810 on April 08, 2016, 05:20:42 PM
Define reverse in fingers.  To me 5/8 reverse is toward the thumb.  In todays game where you don't want to lift on the ball, what are you trying to accomplish????

reverse pitch is away from your palm. (away from your thumb/center of grip)

forward pitch is towards your palm. (toward your thumb/center of grip)

So Pitch toward the thumb would be forward pitch.

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Title: Re: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: TheGom on April 08, 2016, 06:24:21 PM
I would adjust it +1/16th in each finger

Thanks
Title: Re: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: eg bagger on April 08, 2016, 09:47:57 PM
Define reverse in fingers.  To me 5/8 reverse is toward the thumb.  In todays game where you don't want to lift on the ball, what are you trying to accomplish????

reverse pitch is away from your palm. (away from your thumb/center of grip)

forward pitch is towards your palm. (toward your thumb/center of grip)

So Pitch toward the thumb would be forward pitch.

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRSbY90PZRUmompSKpGH-34_-54zOSR3T3go-2_nTo1lMetogVeDw)

Maybe my pitch gauges are defective, they read exactly the opposite of this?
Title: Re: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: Aloarjr810 on April 08, 2016, 10:31:10 PM
Define reverse in fingers.  To me 5/8 reverse is toward the thumb.  In todays game where you don't want to lift on the ball, what are you trying to accomplish????

reverse pitch is away from your palm. (away from your thumb/center of grip)

forward pitch is towards your palm. (toward your thumb/center of grip)

So Pitch toward the thumb would be forward pitch.

(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRSbY90PZRUmompSKpGH-34_-54zOSR3T3go-2_nTo1lMetogVeDw)

Maybe my pitch gauges are defective, they read exactly the opposite of this?

That or your just using the gauge backwards.

Holes pitched toward the center of the grip are forward, pitched away is reverse.

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Title: Re: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: eg bagger on April 08, 2016, 11:36:10 PM
That is completely counter intuitive, either way, I only drill for myself so I guess it doesn't really matter! Thanks for the post. Good info from you as always.
Title: Re: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: avabob on April 16, 2016, 11:14:55 PM
I usually just tell the driller away on the fingers, meaning away from the palm.  I do use forward and reverse terminology for the thumb since everyone seems to agree.  Turning to your original question, I did not change span when I went from 1/4 to1/2 away on fingers
Just a matter of personal preference
Title: Re: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: lefty50 on April 17, 2016, 11:38:49 AM
What about left and right on the thumb? For me as a left hander, right is away from center. It's looking at the ball from the top, yes?
Title: Re: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: Aloarjr810 on April 17, 2016, 12:57:59 PM
What about left and right on the thumb? For me as a left hander, right is away from center. It's looking at the ball from the top, yes?

Whether your right handed or left handed, left lateral is left and right lateral is right.
Title: Re: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: lefty50 on April 17, 2016, 03:42:48 PM
I hate to sound dense, but to clarify... For a left hander, looking down from the top of the ball at your layout, right lateral = away from center,  Yes?
Title: Re: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: JohnP on April 17, 2016, 04:14:10 PM
Looking down on the ball, fingers up and thumb down - a hole slanted top to bottom to the left has left pitch and slanted top to bottom to the right has right pitch.  The hand you bowl with makes no difference.  --  JohnP
Title: Re: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: Aloarjr810 on April 17, 2016, 04:25:46 PM
I hate to sound dense, but to clarify... For a left hander, looking down from the top of the ball at your layout, right lateral = away from center,  Yes?

Lateral pitch refers to the direction either right or left from the center of the ball.
Which hand you use doesn't matter.

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Title: Re: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: lefty50 on April 18, 2016, 02:17:14 AM
Thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: dmonroe814 on April 18, 2016, 03:30:34 PM
Span probably does't need to change, but maybe some less reverse on your thumb.  Say, you are 3/8 reverse, you may want to go to 1/8 or 1/4 reverse to relax your grip a little.  As already said, it is the bowlers choice.
Title: Re: Increasing Finger Reverse....Span Adjustment?
Post by: lane1lover on April 19, 2016, 04:28:40 AM
too short span with large reverse on finger pitch may hurt finger join because this may introduce a bend back of finger after thumb release if your finger is not strong enough to carry the ball,. if adding the reverse is not finger stiff issue but trying to reduce finger lift as the purpose, need to add 1/8 span on every 1/4 reverse add, you can see how the span change by checking the distance change of the thumb hole edge between thumb base edge with insert the fingers only and letting the thumb out of the thumb hole.