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Just wondering how a .5 inch to 1 inch pin affects the ball
« on: October 03, 2014, 06:53:57 AM »
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Re: Just wondering how a .5 inch to 1 inch pin affects the ball
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2014, 07:35:23 AM »
It doesn't affect the ball. All of the balls specs are the same as ones with a 4" pin. (RG DIF Int DIF)
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Re: Just wondering how a .5 inch to 1 inch pin affects the ball
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2014, 08:12:54 AM »
No difference in roll?

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Re: Just wondering how a .5 inch to 1 inch pin affects the ball
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2014, 03:45:51 PM »
I've heard it makes the ball more rolly.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2014, 03:48:24 PM by 2handedrook12 »
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Re: Just wondering how a .5 inch to 1 inch pin affects the ball
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2014, 04:04:24 PM »
don't mean to thread hi-jack  ::)

.... but what about +/- .5" - 1" Pin to PAP?
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Re: Just wondering how a .5 inch to 1 inch pin affects the ball
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2014, 04:17:12 PM »
Quote from: 2handedrook12 on October 03, 2014, 03:45:51 PM
I've heard it makes the ball more rolly.

the pin length doesn't affect the motion in this situation. It is where you usually have to put the pin to keep the ball statically legal. With a .5 to 1 inch pin ball you are going to have to put the pin below the fingers and close to the center grip.. This is what makes the ball more rolly.

.5 - 1 inch pin to pap. This would put the ball in a low RG drill.  A symmetrical ball will not have much flare.  Also, in a symmetrical, the pin / core might lock onto the PAP early on the lane and might not provide much movement down lane.  Depends on the ball surface and the amount of friction on the lane.
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Re: Just wondering how a .5 inch to 1 inch pin affects the ball
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2014, 05:59:20 PM »
It doesn't effect the reaction...it is based off the true center of the mass...to create a 1" pin out, the core is shifted 1/32" from the true center of the mass...so on a 15lb bowling ball (240 ounces) one side of the bowling is 119 31/32" vs 120 1/32".....
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Re: Just wondering how a .5 inch to 1 inch pin affects the ball
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2014, 07:42:38 PM »
So those of you who say it doesn't affect ball motion.  Punch up a 1" pin ball, ....oh wait you won't "willingly" and you won't carry either.

Post a video too.  I have seen 1inch pin balls roll...and they roll terribly.
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Re: Just wondering how a .5 inch to 1 inch pin affects the ball
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2014, 07:46:36 PM »
I would love to see someone drill 3 balls, all with the same layout and balance holes to keep the balls as statically similar as possible. A 1 inch, 3 inch, and 5 inch pin. That way this cgnomaddah deal can be put to rest.
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Re: Just wondering how a .5 inch to 1 inch pin affects the ball
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2014, 07:49:55 PM »
Quote from: billdozer on October 03, 2014, 07:42:38 PM
So those of you who say it doesn't affect ball motion.  Punch up a 1" pin ball, ....oh wait you won't "willingly" and you won't carry either.

Post a video too.  I have seen 1inch pin balls roll...and they roll terribly.

I'll take that challenge! I had a bandit 2 that had a 1 inch pin. Pin under my middle finger (5.5 inches from pap) and the ball was awesome!
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Re: Just wondering how a .5 inch to 1 inch pin affects the ball
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2014, 08:00:01 PM »
People that make certain statements are why most ball motion mentality is antiquated...too many base false statements on their perception not taking into account what REALLY creates motion and reaction
Plain and simple
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Re: Just wondering how a .5 inch to 1 inch pin affects the ball
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2014, 08:25:08 PM »
Quote from: JustRico on October 03, 2014, 08:00:01 PM
People that make certain statements are why most ball motion mentality is antiquated...too many base false statements on their perception not taking into account what REALLY creates motion and reaction
Plain and simple

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Re: Just wondering how a .5 inch to 1 inch pin affects the ball
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2014, 08:52:18 PM »
I do not disagree with anyone. After all, I'm sure more of you have drilled more equipment than I have. I was just mentioning how someone told me it had an influence on length.
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Re: Just wondering how a .5 inch to 1 inch pin affects the ball
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2014, 08:55:33 PM »
Surface effects length
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Re: Just wondering how a .5 inch to 1 inch pin affects the ball
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2014, 10:01:14 PM »
Wait wait wait.....wait.....wait.

So we have people saying that if we take all of the best and greatest bowling balls out there and weed through them to find one with a 0-1" pin and drill it up on one of our favorite layouts that all of the technology in core and converstock development will be negated by the fact that the cg and pin are too close?

Please tell me this is a joke.... please don't make me lose faith in mankind and what is referred to as common sense.


Hell even my spare ball rolls great with a 0" pin.



So curious what about 1-2"  or 2-3" or 3-4" ????? Does that mean 5" pin balls are the best and have maximum length and maximum backend because its the opposite of a 0-1" pin?
« Last Edit: October 03, 2014, 10:04:10 PM by kidlost2000 »
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