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TDC57

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Layout question
« on: January 26, 2007, 12:17:25 PM »
If a ball has a stacked label drilling with the pin between the fingers and the cg directly below it about 2-2 1/2 inches, what kind of reaction can be expected out of it?

 

qstick777

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Re: Layout question
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2007, 08:56:08 PM »
x + y = z

x = 8, solve for y.

Can't do it, need more info?  Exactly!

You've only given us half the info.

PAP?

In general terms you can say that pin above fingers will increase the length before hook.  Other than that, you can't say.
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TDC57

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Re: Layout question
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2007, 09:26:35 PM »
I have no idea what the PAP is on the ball. I have an opportunity to buy a ball that I've been looking for and it has this kind of drilling. I've never had a ball drilled in such a way and just basically wanted to know what to expect from this drilling. Sorry I can't be more helpful, I know what a label leverage drilling or stacked leverage gets you in general and thought maybe somebody knew what this would do.

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Re: Layout question
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2007, 05:15:17 PM »
From the FAQ:

PAP (POSITIVE AXIS POINT)
The axis of the ball during the first few revolutions that is created totally by the bowler's release style. The point on the ball that is equidistant from all points of the release ball track.




AFFECT OF PIN PLACMENT
Pin to PAP distance:
0" - minimum flare potential, core is in it's most stable position, earliest roll with smoothest arc.
1 1/8" - 1/3 of flare potential, stable core position, earlier roll with smooth arc.
2 1/4" - 2/3 of flare potential, semi stable core position, early roll with strong arc.
3 3/8" - max flare potential, most unstable core position, medium length with the most hook potential.
4 1/2" - 2/3 of flare potential, semi stable core position, late roll with flip/arc reaction.
5 5/8" - 1/3 of flare potential, stable core position, later roll with a flip reaction.
6 3/4" - minimum flare potential, stable core position, latest roll with strongest flip.
Remember : These reaction charcteristics are all relative to the conditions they are being used on and may not perform as expected due to burning up too early or not setting up early enough.

Pin to grip center (GC) distance: The higher the pin above grip center the more lenght you will get fot given pin to PAP distance. The placement in relation to GC also affects where the tracks of track flare intersect (bow tie).
Higher pin = Higher intersection. For this reason they suggest high trackers place the pin higher above GC to reduce the risk of flaring over the finger holes.
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Re: Layout question
« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2007, 06:25:04 PM »
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I have no idea what the PAP is on the ball.


Your PAP location is dependent on the initial track ring when you release your ball.  The person you're buying the ball from has his own PAP location and while it does affect the way the ball is layed out, it does not pass along with the ball.  --  JohnP

TDC57

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Re: Layout question
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2007, 09:44:11 PM »
Thanks JohnP, I think you understand that I mean I don't know the PAP of the ball I'm looking at buying. I know my own. I appreciate the help I got here. I was looking for a general idea. I am no longer interested in the ball so I won't have to worry about it.

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Re: Layout question
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2007, 02:53:09 PM »
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I think you understand that I mean I don't know the PAP of the ball I'm looking at buying.


But do you understand that the ball does not have a PAP, the bowler has a PAP.  The layout of a ball (for example, a 5" x 4") is based on the BOWLER'S PAP, but if Billy Kegler throws that same ball, the PAP changes to the location of Billy Kegler's PAP, and the layout is no longer 5" x 4".  For the ball you are buying, you would have to locate your PAP on the ball to see what the layout will be for you.  --  JohnP