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bowler33

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Symmetrical layout for low track low speed
« on: May 29, 2024, 03:45:27 PM »
Just had my PAP re-checked and it went from 4 3/4 over and 1/2 up to 3 1/4 over and 1/2 up. Looking for suggestions on drilling a sublime for this.track and rev dominant. My.favorite symmetrical ball now is a Venom.shock and with my new track it maps out 2 1/4 X 0. Yes the pin is on the VAL. This does not seem.like a good layout buy the ball rolls.pretty good. I hesitate to drill.another ball with this layout. Common sense says something like 5 X 30 would.be better for a low track rev dominant bowler. Am I missing something here? Any thoughts.would be appreciated. I am about 11 mph at release, and I assume.have a lot.of tilt.with the low track. Thanks.

 

SVstar34

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Re: Symmetrical layout for low track low speed
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2024, 05:28:14 PM »
In the average cases, those with high tilt generally want pin positions that use tilt faster rather than retain longer.
On asymmetrical cores, that generally means longer like 5"+. On symmetrical cores, generally 4" and shorter which could be why you like the Venom Shock.

I have been bowling with someone who is similar with spinning it a lot and they've done well recently with a Tour DynamX also short pin with the pin on VAL. They are about 15--16mph at release though.

Again I say generally for the average high tilt situation, because it's tough if you're actually dealing with only 11mph ball speed at release which would mean 9ish mph down lane
« Last Edit: May 29, 2024, 05:33:47 PM by SVstar34 »

justlane

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Re: Symmetrical layout for low track low speed
« Reply #2 on: Today at 08:07:32 AM »
This is not a layout idea, but a suggestion based on a recent personal experience.

Recently I noticed my track was lower than normal, so checked my PAP, and sure enough, it was.  My experience told me to get the thumb out earlier so I spent the next two weeks focusing on that, and better ball motion returned. 

If I were you I'd try that because the results were immediate and obvious.  Staying behind the ball longer and freeing up the arm swing were critical to me using less grip pressure and fixing the problem I had slowly gotten into.

Layout is third down the list of importance to ball motion behind 1) the bowler's speed, release characteristics, etc, and 2) surface texture of the ball.  When we track that low and have so much tilt we "paint ourselves into a corner" so to speak, and limit what layout options are there. 

If you train yourself to work on #1 above then your bowling will open up options rather than limit them.  Just an idea from personal experience and not criticizing anything about where you're at. 


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Re: Symmetrical layout for low track low speed
« Reply #3 on: Today at 12:00:15 PM »
I seem to get better carry now with the lower track. If you watch some of MO Panels old videoes he specifically mentions that if you stay behind the ball too much,.you better bring your spare ball. He advocates for really getting around the ball for today's game. So I am just trying to find some layouts that will maximize this new track. I do welcome these comments and am always trying to improve my game. Was thinking about drilling the SUBLIME like the Shock, but moving over about 1 1/2 or 2 inches away from the VAL. Low flare with a 20-30 degree VAL angle. Any thoughts?