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LaneHammer20

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Can I make my Bounty Hunter a double thumb??
« on: October 16, 2009, 07:46:20 AM »
I have been having way to many problems with this being absolutly not working on any good source of oil. Could be the less than strong 5 x 4.5 layout I have on it. I have heard about the double thumb layout for a while and have never tried it.

Looking on the Morich site. My layout looks as though it could be used for this drilling. I was either going to do this if it will work with the given layout, or put a weight hole 2 inches down my midline on my VAL.

I don't know what specs you should try to have for the layout but the ball had a 2 1/4 top weight and 3 inch pin.

I have been bowling lately in 1 house in particular where there is alot of oil being put down, and everything is flying strait, my BH moves the same as my Solaris which is going basically strait down the lane, and it is a strong pearl reactive, a less than my Clutch with a less flaring drill on it. Just looking for any balance hole help, this layout caught my eye.

heres a pic
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walterrayseggs

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Re: Can I make my Bounty Hunter a double thumb??
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2009, 03:09:00 AM »
I believe the idea of his article on it is to start with a new ball and drill it that way right off the bat. That way it would work as designed. I supposed to could throw a big hole next to your thumb and try the reaction, but the final product may not compare to what Mo was going for.

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Re: Can I make my Bounty Hunter a double thumb??
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2009, 06:54:48 AM »
I have several balls with the double thumb layout.  I generally use this layout on long pins (5"+) with 3 oz or more of top weight.  I think you could put the double thumb layout on this ball.  Have your pro shop check the top weight prior to drilling the balance hole, as it appears the CG is already above the midline.  I would go with a smaller diameter but deeper weight hole.
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jbuzz31

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Re: Can I make my Bounty Hunter a double thumb??
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2009, 07:27:48 AM »
I dont think you could.

With the CG above the grip midline i don't think there would be enough thumb weight for you to put a X-hole in the double thumb spot.  Now you certainly should be able to put a X-hole in the thumb quadrant , increasing flare and midlane, but not a double thumb x hole
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Re: Can I make my Bounty Hunter a double thumb??
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 08:17:29 AM »
do a gradient (sp?) line x-hole.  put the hole about 1/2 way b/w your pap and mb.  you can pitch the hole towards the finger quadrant so it doesn''t throw off your statics.  don''t be afraid to have it pitched 1-2".

Now, adding a weight hole will not transform the reaction, it MAY open up your flare lines but thats about it.  Try a surface change.  Bring it down to 500 or 1000 abralon.
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J_w73

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Re: Can I make my Bounty Hunter a double thumb??
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 06:59:43 PM »
You would have to have it weighed out but based on where the cg is and where the double thumb hole would be I think it would give the ball too much finger weight to be legal.. I'd check for sure though..

put a hole 6 3/4 from the pin for most dynamic change
that is pretty much the basis of the double thumb.. you have the thumb and the weight hole taking weight out 6 3/4 from the pin and making the core more dynamic.. ie larger rg differential.. more flare...

If you can get away with it just put the hole 6 3/4 from the pin down the VAL.. that should still increase the dynamcis and the flare to get you what you need.. probably not as much as the double thumb placement but that might be all you can do without redrilling the ball to keep it legal.
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Re: Can I make my Bounty Hunter a double thumb??
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2009, 04:12:49 AM »
LaneHammer the ball you showed in your photo is too shiny for what you expect it to do. Looking at the 900 Global website the ball has 2.53 RG, .042 Diff, and .016 MB. But, most importantly the cover is 4000 Abralon. 4000 Abralon is too shiny to a lot on heavy oil. Take it down to a least 1000 Abralon.
 Something you may need to understand is that no drilling will make the ball read the midlane if that cover is too shiny to read the midlane on the condition you are bowling.

LaneHammer20

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Re: Can I make my Bounty Hunter a double thumb??
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2009, 07:51:26 AM »
that picture is when I first got the ball. I have had it at many different finishes, and it just doesn't do hardly anything when oil is present.
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Re: Can I make my Bounty Hunter a double thumb??
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2009, 12:19:27 PM »
try sanding if that thing still don't hook its not going to hook.
take it down to 500 Ab Pad by hand if still no hook no drill will make it hook.
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J_w73

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Re: Can I make my Bounty Hunter a double thumb??
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2009, 01:42:23 PM »
It doesn't take much oil for a ball to not hook.. and alot of oil will make any ball with any surface and any layout just slide if you have too much speed..
I've been bowling for 20 years and it has just sunk into my thick skull that you can't make a ball hook/move in heavy heavy oil..

Can you slow the ball to a rediculously slow speed..
Can you take the ball down to 60 grit at that slow speed


more friction and more contact time with the lane... those are the only two solutions to making a ball hook IN oil.. and it isn't going to hook a ton at that..
even when you get the ball to move IN oil it is still best to play straight up and not give up the pocket..
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