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2hander

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new ball layout?
« on: November 21, 2010, 09:11:54 AM »
Hi guys. i throw two handed and have a ton of revs. and i usually cross arrow three and come back to pocket. Lane #1 big curve OOB. cg out with a weight hole, pin under ring finger.  I am looking to get a new ball and i want more of a straigter throw because the hook is inconsistent. ideas? ball and drilling?
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Russell

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Re: new ball layout?
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2010, 06:34:55 PM »
Keep a couple of things in mind:

1 - There are no drillings for "two handers".  You drill balls based on your PAP, axis rotation and tilt to get desired reaction.

2 - Many times when you throw the ball with a high revrate there isn't a "drilling" that will let the ball go straight.  Think of it like a car that is being dropped into gear at 6k RPMs...even if you put racing slicks on it it will take off when it makes friction with the road.

That being said we need to know more about how you bowl.  We need to know your PAP.  "Pin under fingers" could be a 4" pin to a 6.5" pin depending on where your PAP is.  You also have to keep in mind that "crossing arrow three and coming back to the pocket" doesn't tell us what you're bowling on.  What ball are you throwing now, how is it drilled and what kind of motion does it give you?

Not trying to pick you apart, but there are a lot of variables in suggesting a layout, what works for one doesn't work for all.
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2hander

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Re: new ball layout?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2010, 08:40:57 PM »
oh i know and thats what im looking to be asked. its typical house shot. sport shot patterns im fine and i love them. but our house is not taken care of, synthetic lanes but not taken care of well. I have never had a ball "drilled" to me. they are all my friends or other used. and i just make them work.  Right now i throw a lane 1 big curve and its drilled to have a strong arc according to lane one. well with our shot the arc is unpredictable because i cross every other bowlers oil line and well ya problems arise. So i used a friends bash today. drill with pin above middle finger and cg straight under fingers. and i went where i wanted,  , straight on three with a backend snap, but when i missed and it went wide , it would not come back.    If i could get a pap, i would how? my tilt is about 60 degrees my friend said. more than 45 and less than 90 so ya.  the track is somewhat medium about 3 inches from line one to the last one. any help and ill find out the other stuff
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Russell

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Re: new ball layout?
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2010, 06:26:37 AM »
Well a PAP is best found by someone in a pro shop, because you need a quarter scale to find the exact numbers.  Imagine if you could the very first rotation the ball makes off your hand, now the PAP is the axis at which the ball is turning on.  So if you could put a bar through the ball at that exact spot, the PAP is somewhere other than your grip.  That's why you can't judge drillings by what a drill sheet diagram says.  What you're seeing on Lane 1's drill sheet might say "smooth arc", but for your PAP it might be completely different.

Now you have helped us to figure out a little bit about what your bowling on.  If can't get the bash to hook back, but it's drilled pin over the middle finger, it's possible that the pin is too far from your PAP, which would make the ball extremely weak.  Many 2 handers have what is referred to as a "high track", which means that some drillings won't work for them, this may not be the case with you, but finding your PAP will help in this search.

If you are a 2 hander you will spend most of your bowling life left of everyone and crossing everyone else's oil lines.  We really need you to figure out what your PAP, and then we can figure out why your ball isn't coming back.  It's possible that the ball is laid out with a pin too far away, which makes it very wet/dry sensitive.  It could also be drilled with a pin too close to your PAP, which would make it have a hard time turning the corner if you move in and have any sort of friction in the front part of the lane.

I'm not trying to confuse you, but just realize that ball drilling and ball motion are pretty complex.  No matter what you read on these boards and on a drill sheet, there are a lot of variables and they all have to be addressed before making a diagnosis.  Think of it like calling a doctor and saying "hey I have a fever" and expecting him to diagnose your illness and prescribe medicine.
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Re: new ball layout?
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2010, 08:06:11 AM »
gotcha ill get my pap from my proshop today or tomorrow. And yes im pretty sure i have a high track.
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