Post by: lefty50 on January 03, 2008, 04:38:16 PM
Tonight, I just saw Jeff Carter's page where he's done exactly that for an inflexible hand, similar to my own problem (except I'm left handed...)
Drill experts, talk to me. Why can't I get a driller to do this for me? Is it common or uncommon? How far could/should I move it and what effect on distance and pitches? I truly believe this could be the doorway to better scores and would appreciate serious feedback on this topic please.
Thanks in advance
L50.
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Post by: hhsbowler on January 04, 2008, 12:44:37 AM
If you don't feel the ball lay on the hand it could also a problem in your lateral pitches. I added some left latteral to my grip and it feels like ball is resting on my palm. I am a righty by the way.
Post by: azguy on January 04, 2008, 04:56:31 AM
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Post by: lefty50 on January 04, 2008, 02:09:07 PM
1. How many people actually use an offset thumb?
2. Will the offset actually help the ball lay in my palm better when it now lays on the bridge at the base of my fingers?
3. What type of pitch/span changes can I estimate without a Jayhwak or full fitting adjustable ball to measure with?
Thanks
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Post by: azguy on January 04, 2008, 02:18:15 PM
2. For me, yes it feels better
3. Without being remeasured, would not attempt to say, because that's just like telling you your span without measuring you, can't be done successfully.
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Post by: sdbowler on January 04, 2008, 02:26:49 PM
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Post by: Gazoo on January 04, 2008, 02:38:36 PM
Post by: sdbowler on January 04, 2008, 02:56:21 PM
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What is a "clt" layout?
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Basicly an offset thumb.
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Post by: Borincano on January 04, 2008, 03:19:03 PM
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Here's how the centerline shift layout is done.
1. Draw the centerline and midline of the persons grip on a ball that fits them very well.
2. Place persons thumb in the ball so that their fingers lay across the finger holes.
3. Take a pencil and draw a line from the center of the finger holes toward the grip midline between your fingers following the angle of the fingers.
You are looking for the angle that the fingers are in reference to their thumb.
4. Now you must take the dimensions form the center point to the two points of the triangle youhave created. These dimensions are what you will use to set up the new ball to be drilled with a CLT Drilling.
5. Create the same lines using the dimensions off the other ball. Also draw a line perpendicularto the new finger centerline. That will help you rotate the grips to the proper angle. The angled line that you have created will be you centerline for drilling the finger holes.
There is many different ways people set up the ball to be drilled. Some drill thumb first others drill fingers first. It doesn’t matter
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6. The angled line that you have created by drawing between the fingers becomes the new centerline for drilling the fingers. Rotate the ball so that the new centerline is straight up anddown when the ball is in the jig. Set your pitches, line-up the bit to your lines and punch the hole.
7. Repeat step 6. For the other finger.
8. Rotate grips to be parallel to the line you drew in step 5.
This grip will help the hand lay a little flatter on the ball and to most people it feels more comfortable
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Ok, I have to interject into this topic...
I'm currently running through Ebonite's Powerhouse Pro Shop Training class, taught by Jeff Ussery. Just yesterday, we went over spans, pitches and such, and he stressed that there is no such thing as an 'offset thumb hole'.
See, when you drill a new thumb hole, you just shifted your center line, as well as your mid line. The center line is the line that passes through the middle of the bridge and the center of the thumb hole. Therefore, if you have a ball already drilled, find the center line, then plug and move the thumb hole to the left (or right), you now have a NEW center line, NOT an 'offset thumb hole'. Yes, the hole is now shifted to a different spot, but all that you have done is change the full span for the two fingers.
A center line is a center line, no if's, and's or but's. To say that this isn't true is to pretty much tell Ebonite that they are wrong.
Just thought I might interject my current studies.
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Post by: JPratt on January 04, 2008, 09:59:56 PM
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Any type grip, the collier, the Y grip, etc. they are able to be duplicated in a 'T' grip. The pitches can be duplicated.
Ric, first I want to thank you for all your posting as I have learned a lot from your posts over the last few months.
If any ball was brought in to me I would be able to duplicate it. That's easy. But what if you were in the situation that the original poster was talking about. How would you create the hand being more flush on the ball without offsetting the thumb? I've only been drilling a short time, but so far my experience has been if there is no preset way for the hand to go in the ball, then the offset does not exist. For example, you drill 3 round holes and then offset the thumb 1/2". It really doesn't matter that you did because the holes are round and you can put your fingers and thumb in anyway you would like. Now take the same 1/2" offset but the person uses oval grips and an oval thumb. There hand is forced into the ball a certain way otherwise they won't come out of it properly. It can also force more of the palm unto the ball (which I think is what the OP is trying to do). So if you're still reading, my question is how could you duplicate the second example without an offset thumb?
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Post by: T-GOD on January 04, 2008, 11:46:23 PM
Post by: lefty50 on January 05, 2008, 03:25:21 AM
Knowing that it is a viable process, I'm going to go find a driller that can make it happen.
Regards,
L50
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Post by: Greg T on January 05, 2008, 07:45:43 AM
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BrunsRicOH is correct on this. =:^D
I've argued this in years past. There is NO such thing as an offset thumb. You are only changing the span of the two fingers, and drawing a perpendicular line thru the bridge to make it LOOK like the thumb is offset. If drawing a line makes the guy feel better, fine. Drraw the stupid lne. The only thing that changes, if anything, is the span.
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Post by: Gazoo on January 05, 2008, 11:39:20 AM
Post by: Dan Belcher on January 05, 2008, 12:36:28 PM
quote:In the literal sense, this is 100% true. However, it's sometimes easier from a practical sense to imagine the thumb being offset.quote:
BrunsRicOH is correct on this. =:^D
I've argued this in years past. There is NO such thing as an offset thumb. You are only changing the span of the two fingers, and drawing a perpendicular line thru the bridge to make it LOOK like the thumb is offset. If drawing a line makes the guy feel better, fine. Drraw the stupid lne. The only thing that changes, if anything, is the span.
Post by: DP3 on January 05, 2008, 01:43:52 PM
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In the literal sense, this is 100% true. However, it's sometimes easier from a practical sense to imagine the thumb being offset.
I agree. In this trade, for some things you just have to let the super technical stuff go. I know that an "offset" is a mere optical illusion, but for my customers with offsets, I do log in their measurements in my pro shop software with an offset line added. It adds to the consistency of my measurements and removes any extra doubt when someone else in here in the pro shop besides me that drills in accordance with someone's specs.
This is another case where I feel a few of the bowling "nuts" over-analyze and argue about the things that don't really matter. If it fits good, it fits good. If you bring the ball to me and I measure it one way and another person measures it another way, but the end result is the exact same for you, then no one is right and no one is wrong.
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Post by: Brickguy221 on January 05, 2008, 02:09:51 PM
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I am fortunate to deal with some of the elite in the game and listening to their thinking, on the grip and pitches, is interesting. It all boils down to if it works, how can it be broken.
lol......Ric, that is exactly what my Dad always told me and I in turn always told my 4 boys and 1 daughter and that is......"If it ain't broke, don't fix it"
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