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General Category => Drilling & Layouts => Topic started by: xrayjay on April 11, 2014, 05:27:38 PM
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How often should one check his/her axis?
Last time I had mine checked was 4 years ago by Mike Jasnau. It was 5 1/8, 1/2" up.
(Prior to that my axis was 5 @ 3/4 up, before that 4 3/4 @ 1" and way earlier than that, I was a spinner ???)
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Were you able to tell the difference between the balls that were laid out for 5, 3/4 up vs the balls laid out for 5 1/8, 1/2 up? If you were, check it every other month.
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Were you able to tell the difference between the balls that were laid out for 5, 3/4 up vs the balls laid out for 5 1/8, 1/2 up? If you were, check it every other month.
Nope. just asking general question. I'm not as knowledgable as many of you here.
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If it looks like your track has changed noticeably then you should have it checked, I guess.
Since it's measured off your highest oil line you should look at it as you wipe oil off between shots, in my opinion. That way you'll be able to tell whether that "different reaction" was due to lanes changing or if you may have released the ball differently.
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That is honestly not a huge variance...the inconsistencies with most bowlers can create slight variances that's why symmetrical core balls are more optimum for the masses
Much a persons pap is created by the length of their digits and the length & angle of their arms plus how they hinge from their shoulder...track circumference dictates as much with 'roll' as a bowler's actual pap coordinates
Examples would be PBIII and Fagan...PBIII is 5 3/4"< 1/2"^ and Fagan is 3 1/2> 1 3/8"^ up and both have close to 27" track circumference
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So once a person has a sound game and his/her PAP is established, it becomes he's true PAP? But since there's so many variables, PAP is not alway exact. ???
So layouts are not exact too.. Unless you're pro..
All these fancy names for a layout for a sym ball 4.5 x 3 (psa, double angle, ect..) are then just gimmicks?
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And once you become a pro all that stuff goes out the window and you just say "I like the pin here".
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And once you become a pro all that stuff goes out the window and you just say "I like the pin here".
The " I like the pin here." technique works fine for a bowler who has had the time and money to experiment with different pin and cg/mb positions until locking in on one or two favorites. Most pros are in this category. For others, layout techniques based on the customer's specs and release are best. -- JohnP
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A persons pap is somewhat inherent and based upon strength of today's cores I tend to focus on a generic pap for players, ie if on a stable medium diff core using that pap...and focusing on choosing the proper cover and core strength for the condition
Trust me no matter the level of competitor, too many believe in trick layouts and absolutes instead of concentrating on surface and flare management plus strengthening fundamentals...and shy away from the voodoo
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A persons pap is somewhat inherent and based upon strength of today's cores I tend to focus on a generic pap for players, ie if on a stable medium diff core using that pap...and focusing on choosing the proper cover and core strength for the condition
Trust me no matter the level of competitor, too many believe in trick layouts and absolutes instead of concentrating on surface and "flare management" plus strengthening fundamentals...and shy away from the voodoo
Flare Management: That's a new term for me. Would you mind explaining this?
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I think I know what Rico is saying, but I am not going to presume upon him.
For me, flare management has to do with throwing a ball, looking at the flare, and modifying an extra hole if I need a different amount of flare. I also like managing the surface based off of the flare to get a different reaction.
(Guess who is getting a spinner soon?)
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DOOM, what are you getting? I got the Vertex 1/3 hp, still going strong after 8 or 9 years. Still looks almost new too....
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Haven't researched them much, but my surfaceprep-fu is weak. :(
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Flare management, for me, has to do with the distance between the flare rings on the ball. If, for example, they get too far apart the ball would "over-flare" and is likely to hit weaker than otherwise. Layouts at 3 3/8" from PAP would produce "maximum" flare with everything further or closer than that producing less overall flare.
This all can vary somewhat from bowler to bowler, their release characteristics, and conditions bowled on. Some of my best carrying balls consistently have flare rings that are fairly close to each other. Rico can surely elaborate and say it better, due to his vast experience in the industry. Rico... You're being paged...
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Flare management, as an example, would be laying out a full roller...the pin is placed in a position to avoid gripping holes...similar with a 3/4 roll, not only managing flare to avoid gripping holes but managing the total amount of flare necessitated..more is NOT always better
Stronger cores with stronger layouts create instability and uncontrollability...
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I've been saying that for years. Drill strong balls weaker and weaker balls stronger.
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Misnomer - strength tends to be less relevant than one realizes in regards to the core
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??? :o Ric, now I'm more confused.... just give me a 5 x 3 layout and call it a day...
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XRJ pretty much my point! Keep it simple in regards to layouts!
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1:30 pin 1/2 side 1/2 finger? :p
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Flare management, as an example, would be laying out a full roller...the pin is placed in a position to avoid gripping holes...similar with a 3/4 roll, not only managing flare to avoid gripping holes but managing the total amount of flare necessitated..more is NOT always better
Stronger cores with stronger layouts create instability and uncontrollability...
You can do that (avoid the gripping holes)? I was told that you couldn't get that precise. I am refering to local pro shop.
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I'm hoping that is a joke or bit of humour...