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pba bowlers throwing pin up?
« on: February 11, 2015, 01:16:21 PM »
idk if its just the shows and people i watch but i'm seeing alot of pba bowlers use pin up either above bridge(mostly)or pin above ring is that just a better layout on sport conditions(besides real heavy oil) my favorite layout for my house shot is pin below ring finger but when i bowl on sport i use a lot of pin above bridge stuff and do well with it, is that just a coincidence or is pin up just better for sport?
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Re: pba bowlers throwing pin up?
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2015, 10:35:22 PM »
Quote from: Rightycomplex on February 12, 2015, 08:52:21 PM
We are using the term pin up, instead of pin to PAP.... This frightens me. Most of what you see are long pin to pap layouts and short VALs for lower flare and later transitions. Most of those guys are using 5 1/2-6" pin to pap because they are trying to get the ball downlane but also not let it get sideways or in asyms creating a hook/set reaction.
Those types of layouts are necessary once you start to move in with 400+rpms.
makes sense how short of a val angle u think their using? like 20-30?
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Re: pba bowlers throwing pin up?
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2015, 12:52:12 AM »
That would depend on their PAP, no way to tell just by looking at the ball. I know Chris Barnes said that he only uses 2 layouts outside of the Rico. A pin down 4" from PAP when he's playing straighter and a Pin up 6" from PAP once he moves in.
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Re: pba bowlers throwing pin up?
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2015, 10:17:21 AM »
Is there an article or video behind Chris Barnes going to only a couple layouts? He is very smart when it comes to cores and covers and I'm surprised he would limit himself to only a couple choices. Or maybe it's because covers are so strong now there is no point to over think it.  I would love to know his reasoning behind that.
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Re: pba bowlers throwing pin up?
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2015, 10:33:31 AM »
Many articles have been posted talking about layouts and sticking to a few and letting ball and surface being the difference. I thought there was a real good one with Norm Duke from several years ago floating around.

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Re: pba bowlers throwing pin up?
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2015, 06:02:24 PM »
Quote from: soonerdallas on February 14, 2015, 10:17:21 AM
Is there an article or video behind Chris Barnes going to only a couple layouts? He is very smart when it comes to cores and covers and I'm surprised he would limit himself to only a couple choices. Or maybe it's because covers are so strong now there is no point to over think it.  I would love to know his reasoning behind that.

It was posted to C300s website a few years ago. But the better questions is how many layouts do you think anyone actually uses? You have a benchmark layout, and maybe 2 others. Other than that, weighthole and more importantly SURFACE will be a much bigger dictation of ball reaction.
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Re: pba bowlers throwing pin up?
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2015, 06:20:36 PM »
Keeping surface the same, how much of a difference can a person realistically make using layouts and weight holes? Keeping a ball legal of course
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Re: pba bowlers throwing pin up?
« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2015, 06:53:10 PM »
Quote from: lilpossum1 on February 14, 2015, 06:20:36 PM
Keeping surface the same, how much of a difference can a person realistically make using layouts and weight holes? Keeping a ball legal of course


You can make drastic changes in the shape on the lane. Pin to PAP, PSA strength,  flare increasing and decreasing holes that effect the diff. Check out the Radical bowling videos with Dan McCaskill and Rob Way. Those to me are the best vids at giving you a wide spectrum of layouts and hole placements that show the difference in reaction shape and reaction. Surface will only add to the results
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Re: pba bowlers throwing pin up?
« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2015, 10:20:09 PM »
Quote from: kidlost2000 on February 14, 2015, 10:33:31 AM
Many articles have been posted talking about layouts and sticking to a few and letting ball and surface being the difference. I thought there was a real good one with Norm Duke from several years ago floating around.

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Re: pba bowlers throwing pin up?
« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2015, 10:40:41 PM »
That's the one…… older then I thought lol
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Re: pba bowlers throwing pin up?
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2015, 09:36:12 AM »
Using a range of 3 3/8 to 6 1/4 inches is a lot different than using just 2 layout. 

What everyone is missing is most guys will use a couple of layouts as there "go to's", but if they need something different they have the ability to head straight to the truck to have another ball drilled.
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