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lefty50

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Pin above
« on: February 26, 2020, 12:01:59 PM »
This may sound like a useless question, but please, just let it ride. Without regard to dual angles or any other system, I'd like feedback from anyone whose vertical component of their PAP is at or higher than 3/4 up. Here's the question:

What's the maximum distance above your fingers that you've ever placed a pin and been satisfied with the result. I completely do not care about intent of the layout, shape, etc... Just a simple question re: vertical distance above your fingers please...
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BowlingForDonuts

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Re: Pin above
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2020, 02:38:16 PM »
On my Venom Shock its like 5" above fingers and ball for whatever reason is crazy strong on back end even if flare supposed to be lower I guess.
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Re: Pin above
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2020, 03:16:32 PM »
On my Venom Shock its like 5" above fingers and ball for whatever reason is crazy strong on back end even if flare supposed to be lower I guess.

That is not surprising because everything I hear is that when you put the pin above your fingers and closer to the VAL; it makes the break point sharper.  My understanding was that when Tommy Jones first came out on tour using the Big Time and Overtime; it was his favorite flip drilling layout.  I believe Mo also states that putting the pin at 3 1/2 from PAP and about an inch from the VAL is supposed to give the ball its most aggressive reaction down lane.  Hoping someone else on here can back me up on that.
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lefty50

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Re: Pin above
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2020, 03:31:43 PM »
Good to know, thanks. I've got a new ball with pin about 4 inches above and close to VAL. Definitely a different shape than what I'm used to. Longer, and flippier, but it's a mellow flip if that makes sense. Or better put, a very quick transition. It has its place, still deciding whether I'll like it or not. Everyone kept saying never see it that high, but I have a high PAP vertical component and it's all relative of course. Good to know it's not a one-off.....

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Re: Pin above
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2020, 08:11:28 PM »
I apologize but I lied.  Got home and checked Venom Shock and not more than 1.5" above finger.  Was my old Tag Cannon that was a good 4 to 5" above fingers and behaved as you described late with a gentler arc on back end.  Really sucks that ball cracked and haven't punched up the Hydra Motiv replaced it with yet.
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Re: Pin above
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2020, 05:16:34 AM »
I (PAP 5" over, 7/8" up) recently had a vintage Eraser Banshee drilled up, and the pin ended up 2" above the fingers.  A quote from my review:

"I was not certain what to expect - I hoped for a late and rather smooth reaction off the dry, and this is what I got! The very high pin seems to work well for me and my style, and the ball does not seem to read the lanes as early as my recently bought Brunswick BTU Pearl.
The ball goes surprisingly good through the heads – I actually expected some trouble since the Monsoon coverstock was, at the Banshee’s market time, one of Storm’s stronger materials.

After a good number of games on various oil patterns (recreational and sport) and lane surfaces I feel that the ball fills a vital niche in my arsenal – right between the urethane pieces (Pure Hammer, Burning Up) and the mid-range reactives (BTU Pearl, Outcast). The urethanes can struggle on heavier/longer oil, while the reactives are just too strong on certain surfaces or lighter patterns.

Whatever I do with it, the Banshee’s breakpoint is rather smooth than snappy, and I can control the amount of hook through hand position and speed changes well. The ball shows a well-defined skid/hook/roll pattern, and if the ball struggles with longer/more oil, I found that I can simply keep the hand behind the ball during release, so that it starts to roll sooner, and this is enough to make it work and carry well even on a slippier back end or longer patterns (e.g. Kegel’s 44’ High Street), even though at the expense of overall hook and entry angle. This versatility allows me to play it with a swing when traction is good (around 3rd arrow out to 8th board), or simply up the boards, and it still carries well. I haven’t experimented with the surface, yet, but there’s apparently no need for a deliberate change."
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lefty50

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Re: Pin above
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2020, 10:46:31 AM »
I agree that this is what I see with my new ball. In my case I believe it's what I asked for, but not what I meant, or at least I'm sure that's the way it will be portrayed. However, even though I'll need to redrill, I'm glad for the experience and these feedback points, since I know now what happens and will be able to zero in from this point.

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Re: Pin above
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2020, 04:15:13 PM »
Message JR Raymond on Facebook or Youtube.  His PAP is 1" up and has drilled a ton of balls, so he might have some information that can help you
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lefty50

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Re: Pin above
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2020, 04:16:34 PM »
Good point, will do, thanks.