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icefiction

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thumb issues and span issues
« on: October 25, 2008, 09:45:23 AM »
I have had some hard times figuring out the correct span and pitches so any suggestions are welcome. It seems over the years as I have tried to relax my hand in the ball and go more forward pitch in the thumb, all I can feel now is pressure on the back of my thumb. I have tried lengthin thbe span to put pressure back on the fingers but that caused more pain on the back of the thumb. I've looked at charts and because my thumb is very inflexible it says I should use a half reverse. It seemed to me that this would be quite excessive and lead to squeezing. I was hopin I could get some help with proper fitting from you all

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icefiction

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Re: thumb issues and span issues
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2008, 09:20:35 PM »
My full span is right at five and a sixteenth. The problem is according to the bill Taylor flexibility chart my thumb is the least flexible which is 75degrees when holding your hand out and thumb down.
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Re: thumb issues and span issues
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2008, 09:38:08 PM »
There is a drill trick out there that many no thumb bowlers use when going 2 thumb bowling. I don't know what its called but basically the thumb is laid out. Instead of thumb going straight in it kida goes more almost sideways so it feels the same of no thumb

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Re: thumb issues and span issues
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2008, 11:22:09 AM »
If you have a very "inflexible" thumb, you WILL need to use reverse pitch to get the GOOD feel you're looking for. Squeezing is a necessity to hang on to the ball. This gives YOU control of the ball, not the ball controlling you. The key here is to MINIMIZE the squeezing.

This is done with bevel, allowing your thumb to get deeper in the hole(a novel idea), and some good ole fashioned bowlers tape. If the hole is snug, you minimize the squeezing and won't have to squeeze the ball to the point of it becoming a problem. If the ball hangs on to your hand with no squeezing, you literally will have to force the ball off your hand and be absolutely perfect with your timing and everything to get the ball off cleanly. This is impossible to do consistently.

Plus the ball will only come off your hand 1 way. This is not good.

You want to be able to make changes in your hand position and even changes to your fingers in the hole placement to change the way the ball comes off your hand. These changes will allow you to use the same ball, but get different ball reactions using different hand positions in relationship to the gripping holes.

Using bevel, tape and a slightly more reverse pitch, allows you to accomplish releasing the ball different ways, while still coming out of the ball as clean as silk. Good luck. =:^D

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Re: thumb issues and span issues
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2008, 11:27:31 AM »
Out of curiosity where are you now?(I should know I think I purchased a ball from you)  Span and forward reverse?

Where should you be as far as normal full  span (by Bill Taylor method) and where was your reverse when you were that full span?

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Re: thumb issues and span issues
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2008, 11:44:17 AM »
OK....as I remember right...the ball you sent me was more like 4 3/4.  That is a LOT of shortening!

IF you are 5 1/6 Bill would have you at 3/8 and then add like 1/8 for your thumb stiffness.  Thus 1/2.  On your 4 3/4 span I think you also used right lateras(which is lateral out for the lefthander ice fiction) if memory serves me right!  

Now I did not see you mention lateral pitch and the Bill Taylor coke bottle test.  But as you know...(differing from Bill's book) lateral out if that is not your coke bottle test is presumed to get the thumb out faster.  If it turns out you test out left lateral you may easily end up at 1/2 reverse and still have holding power if you put in the proper under thumb lateral pitch.

If you decide to go to lateral out....I would go more like 3/8 reverse or slightly less at your full span.

What is your coke bottle lateral test?!

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icefiction

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Re: thumb issues and span issues
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2008, 04:29:44 PM »
my coke bottle calls for 0 lateral, i am going to take all the suggestions and kind of roll them into one, along with some ideas ive gotten from readin other posts, thank you guys for all your help, ill let you know how it turns out, and take some video so youall can see
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Re: thumb issues and span issues
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2008, 10:23:27 PM »
I don't know if I made myself clear but maybe this will help.

Going to 0 your proper lateral pitch will slightly increase holding power....then you could probably use near 1/2 inch reverse at 5 1/16.

If you stay at your current lateral out (right for a lefty) I would then go at least to 3/8 if not even a touch farther forward say....5/16 or 1/4(that is if you stay at 5 1/16 and go lateral out.

Hope this ends up close! to a great feeling fit for you.

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icefiction

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Re: thumb issues and span issues
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2008, 10:24:51 PM »
thanks lucky Im just going the reverse thumb pitch route with no lateral
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LuckyLefty

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Re: thumb issues and span issues
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2008, 10:37:11 PM »
That sounds good...no lateral is more holding power for you than your previous lateral out!

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Luckylefty
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