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Myser

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135 degree lay out
« on: October 27, 2006, 05:21:38 AM »
Thanks for reading...

Thinking about drilling up a very condition specific ball with the 135 degree lay out.  The condition is a blown up track area and burnt heads... i see this condition every college bowling tournament and normally end up playing out side 5 or inside 5th arrow with a week ball (a urithane pure hammer or a switch blade).  want something that will create some length where there isn't much/any and not 2 to much on the back ends but still hit decent.  

A few words about college bowling...
80% of the field throws the latest hook monster in the track, after game 3 outside 20 to inside 7 becomes unplayable. Getting to the pocket isn't all that hard but getting a ball to carry is.

stats (C.A.T.S)
320-360 RPMs depending on hand possition
18-21 off the hand
5 over 1/2 up PAP

Currently thinking of drilling a Punisher this way but will take recommendations.
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Jeff Ussery

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Re: 135 degree lay out
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2006, 01:40:58 PM »
Myser...

I actually bowled in college from 1995-1999 (Kansas), so I know exactly what you're talking about.  Instead of people throwing a medium ball and gradually breaking down the lane condition, everyone starts with their newest, dullest finish ball and blows it up in 3-4 games.

Playing outside 5 is very difficult by the end of the day and would take someone of extreme talent.  This usually is not your best option.

Playing inside 5th (and sometimes 6th) arrows is usually your only option.  When I was in school, I used 5 1/2" to 6" pin distances in 90 and 105 degree layouts.  The 135 degree will be pretty lazy downlane for the launch angles you're trying to create.  Obviously you want to make sure your choosing balls with weaker and polished covers.  From the Ebonite family, I'd suggest a Whirlwind, Big Time Pearl (slightly stronger side), or a Blue Ice (slightly weaker side).

Good luck in St. Louis!  I always bowled terrible there when everyone else struck at will.
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Strapper_Squared

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Re: 135 degree lay out
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2006, 01:51:08 PM »
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...college... ...week ball (a urithane...)
 

Something doesn't jive here...


Anyway, on to the question.

I think this type of situation fits the Frankie May (maybe bowl in control?) video very well.  I haven't seen it in a year or so (so if I'm missing something, correct me here), but he states that on a fresh shot to start with a control layout (pin under & close to leverage and cg out w/ weight hole) and some surface.  Once that line burns out and moving in to the oil gives a poor angle for carry, switch to an arc layout (135 degree) with a little less surface.  Once the oil burns up and moving in with this ball loses carry, finally switch to a stacked layout on a highly polished "mild" ball to give the most length and sharpest backend (getting a better angle to help carry).  

Based upon this logic, a punisher, dry-r, or similiar mild cover ball would probably work out well, but maybe a longer pin to PAP stacked layout instead?

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Mike E

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Re: 135 degree lay out
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2006, 07:44:51 PM »
Myser- I use the 135 degree layout on my dry lane balls with some success. I have a Blue Ice and a Black Ice drilled 5&1/2 pin to Pap,135 degree,Pin 4" above midline. I have 90 degree axis rotation and somewhat slower ball speed (14 mph on average) hence the 4" above midline. Works well for me on dryer conditions.

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Myser

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Re: 135 degree lay out
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2006, 02:02:44 AM »
thanks for all the responses... I will rethink the 135 degree lay out and probably go to something w/ a 5-6" pin to PAP and a 90 or 105 degree lay out.  Jeff Ussery if have any more tips for building a college arsenal or your experances please msg me.
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pocketpete

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Re: 135 degree lay out
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2006, 08:33:11 PM »
Had a Orginal Heat drilled 135..Worked great for reverse blocks..Very long and a small snap on the end..carried very well ..I'm and righty 17mph,19 tilt, 4 1/2 x 1/2 stroker..
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