Post by: Sportskraz on May 13, 2008, 10:34:08 AM
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Post by: themagician on May 13, 2008, 06:55:08 PM
If they just use a little bit on each side as they should you can get them out almost mess free and a little acetone on a rag and you can get the little pieces out. If they used too much glue you will be needing a bevel knife ideally to get out the parts of the grip still stuck in there.
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Post by: charlest on May 14, 2008, 07:48:05 AM
Many grips, if they haven't been worn away too much, can be used again.
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Post by: azguy on May 14, 2008, 08:18:13 AM
I get them for some of my customers all the time. I personally like the style with the "T" handle.
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Post by: Sportskraz on May 14, 2008, 10:16:38 AM
Post by: JohnP on May 14, 2008, 11:49:01 AM
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If the person glued the grip all around, then, 1, never go to him again, and, 2, it will take a long time to remove it with any tool and you'll have to throw it away, and you'll need a razor or other device to remove the clumps of grip material still stuck to the sides of the hole.
I glue them all the way around. I'd hate to guess at how many people have brought balls in for me to reglue grips installed by my competitors using the "two drops" method. When I glue them in, they stay in, and I think that's more important than ease of removal when they wear out. I use a very thin layer of LockTite super glue applied with a brush, probably less total amount of glue than with the "two drops" method. Using my removal tool, I can get a grip out in about 10 seconds. If I had to use a screwdriver it might take a minute. -- JohnP
Post by: Grayson on May 14, 2008, 12:32:06 PM
screwdriver is a bit ... harsh
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Post by: charlest on May 14, 2008, 12:57:42 PM
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If the person glued the grip all around, then, 1, never go to him again, and, 2, it will take a long time to remove it with any tool and you'll have to throw it away, and you'll need a razor or other device to remove the clumps of grip material still stuck to the sides of the hole.
I glue them all the way around. I'd hate to guess at how many people have brought balls in for me to reglue grips installed by my competitors using the "two drops" method. When I glue them in, they stay in, and I think that's more important than ease of removal when they wear out. I use a very thin layer of LockTite super glue applied with a brush, probably less total amount of glue than with the "two drops" method. Using my removal tool, I can get a grip out in about 10 seconds. If I had to use a screwdriver it might take a minute. -- JohnP
Sorry, John, no offense, but I just don't see the reason for all that glue. I got a new LocTite Super Glue pair. One called CONTROL and one called Gel Control. They are the best dispensers of super glue ever. Only one drop comes out at a time in a slow measured pace. The top closes securely and easily and does not dry out.
One tiny drop on each side and the grip is there permanently. Grips are changed too often, for many reasons, to be gluing the whole circumference. Some people use just 2 or 3 balls and need to change grips eveyr 2 - 3 months. I use shims to adjust the size and although there are alternatives, this is the best method I have found.
While some glue does dry up, and is not entirely functional sometimes, for the most part, gluing the whole grip seems ... not the best thing to do.
Oh, there has/had been some concern with the super glue getting into the coverstock and interacting in some chemical reaction that might be the cause of cracking or brittleness of the coverstock. I doubt if you've had that problem or you wouldn't be doing that you're pretty cautious and sensible.
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Post by: JohnP on May 14, 2008, 05:26:12 PM
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Oh, there has/had been some concern with the super glue getting into the coverstock and interacting in some chemical reaction that might be the cause of cracking or brittleness of the coverstock. I doubt if you've had that problem or you wouldn't be doing that you're pretty cautious and sensible.
No, haven't had any cracking problems. As I said, the total amount of glue used per grip is very small. just evenly distributed around the circumference. I'll have to give the "Control" bottles a try. Have you tried the brush applicator? It puts the glue exactly where you want it in a thin layer. -- JohnP
Post by: sunsetlefty on May 14, 2008, 06:17:52 PM
quote:quote:QuoteIf the person glued the grip all around, then, 1, never go to him again, and, 2, it will take a long time to remove it with any tool and you'll have to throw it away, and you'll need a razor or other device to remove the clumps of grip material still stuck to the sides of the hole.
I glue them all the way around. I'd hate to guess at how many people have brought balls in for me to reglue grips installed by my competitors using the "two drops" method. When I glue them in, they stay in, and I think that's more important than ease of removal when they wear out. I use a very thin layer of LockTite super glue applied with a brush, probably less total amount of glue than with the "two drops" method. Using my removal tool, I can get a grip out in about 10 seconds. If I had to use a screwdriver it might take a minute. -- ohnP
Sorry, John, no offense, but I just don't see the reason for all that glue. I got a new LocTite Super Glue pair. One called CONTROL and one called Gel Control. They are the best dispensers of super glue ever. Only one drop comes out at a time in a slow measured pace. The top closes securely and easily and does not dry out.
One tiny drop on each side and the grip is there permanently. Grips are changed too often, for many reasons, to be gluing the whole circumference. Some people use just 2 or 3 balls and need to change grips eveyr 2 - 3 months. I use shims to adjust the size and although there are alternatives, this is the best method I have found.
While some glue does dry up, and is not entirely functional sometimes, for the most part, gluing the whole grip seems ... not the best thing to do.
Oh, there has/had been some concern with the super glue getting into the coverstock and interacting in some chemical reaction that might be the cause of cracking or brittleness of the coverstock. I doubt if you've had that problem or you wouldn't be doing that you're pretty cautious and sensible.
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I use the Locite Control Gel. However, I do agree with JohnP in that the '2 drop' method is inadequate.
The '2 drop' method is used by the customer who sends his ball down the lane and has the finger insert go 30 feet in the air along with it. I see it all the time.
I don't glue the entire circumference of the grip hole, either. I leave the back of the grip unglued for shim insertion, as charlest said.
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Post by: charlest on May 14, 2008, 07:41:02 PM
The 2 drop method has never failed me more importantly it has never failed my driller who's been doing it for as many years as he has installed grips. I'm not sure John is saying that I think he is just trying to be sure. But we'll wait for his reply.
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Post by: sunsetlefty on May 14, 2008, 07:47:54 PM
I glue them all the way around. I'd hate to guess at how many people have brought balls in for me to reglue grips installed by my competitors using the "two drops" method. When I glue them in, they stay in, and I think that's more important than ease of removal when they wear out. I use a very thin layer of LockTite super glue applied with a brush, probably less total amount of glue than with the "two drops" method. Using my removal tool, I can get a grip out in about 10 seconds. If I had to use a screwdriver it might take a minute. -- JohnP
Quote: "they stay in" unquote.....
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Post by: charlest on May 14, 2008, 08:08:28 PM
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I glue them all the way around. I'd hate to guess at how many people have brought balls in for me to reglue grips installed by my competitors using the "two drops" method. When I glue them in, they stay in, and I think that's more important than ease of removal when they wear out. I use a very thin layer of LockTite super glue applied with a brush, probably less total amount of glue than with the "two drops" method. Using my removal tool, I can get a grip out in about 10 seconds. If I had to use a screwdriver it might take a minute. -- JohnP
Quote: "they stay in" unquote.....
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Fine. It's still completely unnecessary, near as I can tell, but I've only been doing it for 12 years or so.
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Post by: lsf_21 on May 14, 2008, 08:16:57 PM
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I use a very small and sharp knife to get the grips out of the ball without any damage... takes a bit of practice but it works very well.
screwdriver is a bit ... harsh
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what i use takes just a few seconds to get it out unless they took and poured a bottle of glue in there. ive even seen a few pro shops use this instead of the remover tool.
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Post by: JohnP on May 15, 2008, 11:45:44 AM
Post by: Strapper_Squared on May 15, 2008, 11:55:50 AM
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Post by: tekneek on May 15, 2008, 12:17:10 PM
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Post by: JessN16 on May 15, 2008, 02:23:36 PM
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If the person glued the grip all around, then, 1, never go to him again, and, 2, it will take a long time to remove it with any tool and you'll have to throw it away, and you'll need a razor or other device to remove the clumps of grip material still stuck to the sides of the hole.
I glue them all the way around. I'd hate to guess at how many people have brought balls in for me to reglue grips installed by my competitors using the "two drops" method. When I glue them in, they stay in, and I think that's more important than ease of removal when they wear out. I use a very thin layer of LockTite super glue applied with a brush, probably less total amount of glue than with the "two drops" method. Using my removal tool, I can get a grip out in about 10 seconds. If I had to use a screwdriver it might take a minute. -- JohnP
John,
I'm right there with you. I glue pretty much all the way around. I've had inserts come out before and that'll only happen once before you start looking at other options.
Jess
Post by: JohnP on May 16, 2008, 11:34:30 AM
Post by: Brickguy221 on May 16, 2008, 12:06:55 PM
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Post by: JessN16 on May 16, 2008, 12:37:02 PM
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I'm in the same boat with Charlest here. The 2 drop method has never failed me either.....and as a plus in doing it this way, a person doesn't need a $25 tool to remove the grips.
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Flat blade screwdriver plus a mallet will get any grip out that you need. Also, the two-drop method is no guaratee that you won't leave residue. The last grips I removed had originally been installed by my former driller using the two-drop method. I tried to be as careful and deliberate as I could taking the old inserts out but I still was left with two big chunks of yellow rubber in the middle finger hole when the insert more or less disintegrated upon removal. Took me five minutes with a rasp, bevel tool and finally a bevel sander before I could get all the crap out.
Jess
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Post by: Brickguy221 on May 16, 2008, 04:22:34 PM
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Flat blade screwdriver plus a mallet will get any grip out that you need. Also, the two-drop method is no guaratee that you won't leave residue. The last grips I removed had originally been installed by my former driller using the two-drop method. I tried to be as careful and deliberate as I could taking the old inserts out but I still was left with two big chunks of yellow rubber in the middle finger hole when the insert more or less disintegrated upon removal.
If you needed a flat blade screwdriver and a mallet, then more than likely a whole tube of glue and not a 2 drop method must have been used.
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Took me five minutes with a rasp, bevel tool and finally a bevel sander before I could get all the crap out.
Using the 2 drop method, it takes me 5 seconds with a bevel knife to do this. Another plus of using the 2 drop method.
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Post by: JessN16 on May 16, 2008, 04:29:35 PM
Also, notice that I was talking about having to use a rasp, bevel knife and bevel sander to remove residue left behind from an insert installed via the two-drop method. It was as if the super glue had broken down the structure of the insert and made it one with the ball.
Jess
Post by: Brickguy221 on May 16, 2008, 06:48:21 PM
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Also, notice that I was talking about having to use a rasp, bevel knife and bevel sander to remove residue left behind from an insert installed via the two-drop method.
What ever kind of glue that was, if it was that tough to remove it from 2 sides, be thankful it was the 2 drop method they used and that they didn't didn't use it to glue the insert all the way around, else you would still be working on that finger hole.
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Post by: JessN16 on May 16, 2008, 08:42:39 PM
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Also, notice that I was talking about having to use a rasp, bevel knife and bevel sander to remove residue left behind from an insert installed via the two-drop method.
What ever kind of glue that was, if it was that tough to remove it from 2 sides, be thankful it was the 2 drop method they used and that they didn't didn't use it to glue the insert all the way around, else you would still be working on that finger hole.
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lol...no joke. I've never seen an insert do that before. I've taken out several that were glued all the way around and they weren't that difficult. These felt like someone JB-Welded them in place.
Jess
Post by: Corey C on May 28, 2008, 11:58:34 PM
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