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RICO from the man himself
« on: February 26, 2008, 04:31:53 AM »
Here is the link to Ric site and the RICO layout for those that dont know.
http://www.brunsnick.com/rico_ball_layout.html
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Re: RICO from the man himself
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2008, 01:10:44 PM »
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 I don't understand? LOL. I understand all too well. Bringing up a 30 year old layout brings fame a fortune to a discussion board member. Besides, arent you one of cgnomaddah gang? So who cares where the cg is placed and whether or not there even IS a cg? Given that it doesnt matter takes us back to the age of urethane which takes us back to the standard layout. Pin in palm. Ingenious!!




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Good point, I think.

Really if CG doesn't matter, what difference does it make if you put it at 45 degrees?  Just put the CG where you want and draw a line 45* from grip center and put the hole at 6 3/4 inches, right?  

a)  What do you do with 0" pins?  
b)  What about 1" pins?  
c)  Does it really matter if you put the CG in the finger half of the ball and still put the hole in the thumb quad?  

Since weights don't matter, it really shouldn't matter where you put the CG.  It's all about the hole, right?  Putting the CG in the thumb area should give the ball more thumb weight (aka negative weight).  

d)  What if the ball is a longer pinout and has a higher top weight?  
e)  What if you can't get the ending weights legal?  Shift the CG to the finger quad and drill the fingers as deep as you need.  Does that work?

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Re: RICO from the man himself
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2008, 01:22:23 PM »
If there were no antiquated USBC Static weight rules, then we could put the pin the the palm, mass bias at 45 degrees and put our hole where we needed, regardless of pin distance, top weight, yadda etc etc.

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Re: RICO from the man himself
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2008, 01:31:34 PM »
It COULD be worse.  If they had used Ric's last name, it could have been called the HAMLINBONE.

  I think RICO will do just fine, thank you..............
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Re: RICO from the man himself
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2008, 01:37:46 PM »
I may be pulling the trigger on this layout soon.  We'll see what the driller says...  

What type of player would benefit the most from this?  I need one ball with emphasis on control over anything else especially on some of these flying backend sport patterns.
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Re: RICO from the man himself
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2008, 01:56:02 PM »
Fluff... In my experience, there isn't a greater layout for what you're looking for.
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Re: RICO from the man himself
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2008, 02:01:16 PM »
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If there were no antiquated USBC Static weight rules, then we could put the pin the the palm, mass bias at 45 degrees and put our hole where we needed, regardless of pin distance, top weight, yadda etc etc.

RICO 4 LIFE.

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Okay, so really it doesn't matter?  Or is it specific that the line has to be drawn from pin through the CG?  Technically that would be the MB - even though symmetric balls don't have a significant MB.  Still, what about 0" pin balls?  Do you just pick any direction, or do you choose a different ball?

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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2008, 02:10:19 PM »
Well we try to use something with a 2-3" pin to allow us the ability to use a sizeable x-hole and still be legal afterwards. On a symmetrical core ball, the reason we put the CG at 45* is to shift enough mass in the thumb/side quadrant because we KNOW that is where the x-hole is going for the layout. If we were to use a 0" pin, that would limit the size of the x-hole we can use and not go over negative side or finger.

Make sense?
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Re: RICO from the man himself
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2008, 02:12:16 PM »
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Fluff... In my experience, there isn't a greater layout for what you're looking for.


Excellent!  Thanks for the input.  I have been considering this one for a while now and maybe I should just finally get it done.

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Re: RICO from the man himself
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2008, 02:22:09 PM »
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Well we try to use something with a 2-3" pin to allow us the ability to use a sizeable x-hole and still be legal afterwards. On a symmetrical core ball, the reason we put the CG at 45* is to shift enough mass in the thumb/side quadrant because we KNOW that is where the x-hole is going for the layout. If we were to use a 0" pin, that would limit the size of the x-hole we can use and not go over negative side or finger.

Make sense?
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Edited on 2/27/2008 3:10 PM


Thanks!  I suppose it does.  I'm not a driller, don't play one on TV, and didn't even stay at a Holiday Express last night.  Just trying to understand the reasoning behind the layout. I just throw the ball and try to knock down the pins.  Never really been to a pro shop that drills more than label or stacked - guess those drillings work for most people, and I'm sure not good enough to need any fancy schmancy drilling.  Still, the science behind ball reactions is interesting.  I just need it dumbed down enough for my simple mind!  Physics wasn't my strong subject.
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Re: RICO from the man himself
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2008, 03:54:16 PM »
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so while we're on the subject, hows about a RICO OI on a THS? i might plug mine and find a new layout since i hate it at my house.

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Re: RICO from the man himself
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2008, 03:57:19 PM »
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If there were no antiquated USBC Static weight rules, then we could put the pin the the palm, mass bias at 45 degrees and put our hole where we needed, regardless of pin distance, top weight, yadda etc etc.RICO 4 LIFE.p.p.s. lol @ gregtoeREgards--------------------Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢Brunswick -=- PBA 03-08http://www.BrunsNick.comhttp://www.AskTheBowler.comhttp://www.BigBapparel.comFriends don't let friends drink the Kool-Aid!
Okay, so really it doesn't matter?  Or is it specific that the line has to be drawn from pin through the CG?  Technically that would be the MB - even though symmetric balls don't have a significant MB.  Still, what about 0" pin balls?  Do you just pick any direction, or do you choose a different ball?--------------------Haywood**************************I don't need a stupidsignature. This is enough.**************************
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Re: RICO from the man himself
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2008, 04:09:05 PM »
TCP,

http://brunsnick.com/rico_inferno.html


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Re: RICO from the man himself
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2008, 04:14:05 PM »
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so while we're on the subject, hows about a RICO OI on a THS? i might plug mine and find a new layout since i hate it at my house.

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Re: RICO from the man himself
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2008, 08:34:55 AM »
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If there were no antiquated USBC Static weight rules, then we could put the pin the the palm, mass bias at 45 degrees and put our hole where we needed, regardless of pin distance, top weight, yadda etc etc.RICO 4 LIFE.p.p.s. lol @ gregtoeREgards--------------------Nick Smith ... A.K.A. Les Badderâ„¢Brunswick -=- PBA 03-08http://www.BrunsNick.comhttp://www.AskTheBowler.comhttp://www.BigBapparel.comFriends don't let friends drink the Kool-Aid!
Okay, so really it doesn't matter?  Or is it specific that the line has to be drawn from pin through the CG?  Technically that would be the MB - even though symmetric balls don't have a significant MB.  Still, what about 0" pin balls?  Do you just pick any direction, or do you choose a different ball?--------------------Haywood**************************I don't need a stupidsignature. This is enough.**************************
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Thanks Jon.  I guess I missed that part about the drilling, but that seems to make sense.
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Re: RICO from the man himself
« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2008, 08:56:24 AM »
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Sorry Greg, this is sorta silly, don't you think?


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