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wei

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RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« on: May 15, 2007, 10:23:57 PM »
Guys, Im just wondering if RICO layout is suitable for stroker, tweener or is it just suitable for cranker only?

Thanks in advance
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2014, 01:31:50 PM »
I'd be interested to see how far the pins are from their axis. A pin up at 6.5 inches is going to be a totally different motion than a pin up at 2.5 inches. Also, which val angles work better. 20? 30? 40? Surfaces too. (OOB is not a valid answer.) Do Brunswick covers do better than Ebonite covers, or are those created the same?
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2014, 01:37:22 PM »
Quote from: LuckyLefty on April 29, 2014, 09:45:18 AM
Northface,

Great comments.  OK ....

OUr multitime regional champion pro shop driller.....drills many balls a week.  He says many have asked for various pin downs and he has complied and the bowlers say...."it doesn't work here".  He is wrong you are right.

I have brought in quite a few balls with pin downs which I use on many other patterns in the state with a lot of satisfaction.(my preferred drilling and often appropriate on many lefty shots I see)  I can get them in the pocket and have very little success carrying at this center.  I am wrong, you are right.

I have looked at the balls of our state known bowlers who tear this center up and all of them except one 20 mph bowler are using pin up.  They are wrong, you are right!

I have tried pin down under bridge, pin down 4 1/4, pin down 2 inch pin to pap stacked, pin down 2 inch pin to pap cg near grip center, I have tried pin down Revs Leverage (slight modification), I have tried pin down 3 3/8 pin to pap, stacked and 3 3/8 pin down mb on VAL.  They lazily hit in this center and carry for me with low percentage.  I am wrong you are right.

I have not tried Rico, but our ball driller has complied with customer requests and drilled rico for this house and reported that the high level state known bowlers who used it were "disappointed" in this house with the results...He says they go to other centers and report better results with the Rico.

Tell me again about the statement above....
I know you are a very good bowler, but I guess I am confused...


Thanks,

Luckylefty

Nevertheless, just saying "pin down doesnt work" is lazy. Too many variables left unanswered to say it "doesnt work". If these guys are standing in the friction zone and throwing 15 mph and are end over end, then of course it doesnt work.
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2014, 02:20:53 PM »
North,

How many different things should they try to make pin downs work?

Maybe you could clarify so they could get better and I will try to follow them.

I actually believe that sloppiness of the backends is requiring that quicker reponses to friction are needed at the back.  Versus the house quickly wants to force people inside mostly from the mids to the point where flat corners abound on both sides.  More so on the left.

All fast bowlers with loft seem to enjoy this center. 

I am working to become one of them, with my pin up bowling balls.

I think it is much like many tournies, bowlers talk and see which strategies and ball setups seem to be working the best and follow.  I have bowled in some centers that loved one inch pin to paps and a nice smooth backend and the carry was phenomenal.

Not this one!  I am not saying it is hard, I am just saying that doesn't seem to work too well.

REgards,

Luckylefty

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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2014, 02:28:46 PM »
Maybe it's too much bottom weight. :P
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2014, 02:54:30 PM »
Hmmm, I don't drill with Bottom weight and nobody in my center with our top driller would buy in to that silliness in a center where we want push...

But maybe many guys on here would have trouble because of that!

Regards,

Luckylefty
PS may your balls roll.....early....with lots of bottom weight!
PPS  Here is the perfect ball from a  good full disclosure seller on Ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BRUNSWICK-C-SYSTEM-MAXXED-OUT-BOWLING-ball-15-lbs-NEW-IN-BOX-/291135241663?pt=Bowling&hash=item43c9033dbf
This may be the perfect ball for ballreviewers who say statics don't matter!((97% of ballreviews visitors it is you say?). AND Low RG on conditions that already have lots of midlane but the bowlers want length.  Do it with surface they say.
PPPS I wonder why it is a factory second when ending statics don't matter?
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2014, 03:20:45 PM »
It's a second only because of the USBC rules...
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #22 on: May 02, 2014, 08:27:03 AM »
It is a second, for a very good reason.  It would be nice after drilling with its two ounces of bottom weight for certain wet conditions.

I hope one of our ballreviews members buys it and lets us know what a great hard hitting ball it is!

On a sparky short league top hat!

Regards,

Luckylefty
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2014, 12:01:54 PM »
Which will matter more, the pin up or all that bottom weight?
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #24 on: May 02, 2014, 12:48:43 PM »
When one of you guys who don't care about static weights buy it  I'm dying to hear of the results.

Somehow I feel a "motion hole" coming on after the reports come back....

Regards,

Luckylefty



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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #25 on: May 02, 2014, 07:08:09 PM »
You know what BrunsNick would say!
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #26 on: May 02, 2014, 08:54:35 PM »
I find it rather priceless the trivial irrelevent BS horse beating some pull off worrying abt approx 7% of an equation while accusing the relevant 93% of beating a dead horse...there horse isn't dead enough?
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #27 on: May 02, 2014, 09:10:02 PM »
Then buy the ball!  It's perfect to display your theory.  Drill it up with it's ending 2 ounces of bottom weight and show how well it pushes down the lane.

Regards,

Luckylefty
PS I'll go for the 7% improvement as will most pro shops!
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #28 on: May 02, 2014, 09:16:22 PM »
You worrying abt the 7% ignoring the 93%.....THAT'S MY POINT
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2014, 09:39:57 PM »
Very interested in all components, surface, pin position, mass bias, weighthole position, flare control and did I mention surface.

2 ounces to 3 ounces bottom weight could end all that 93% hard work.

REgards,

Luckylefty
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2014, 09:41:09 PM »
I look forward to the chain of LuckyLefty pro shops sweeping the nation.
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