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RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« on: May 15, 2007, 10:23:57 PM »
Guys, Im just wondering if RICO layout is suitable for stroker, tweener or is it just suitable for cranker only?

Thanks in advance

 

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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2014, 11:06:05 PM »
They are not under my name, but pro shops who believe in altering statics to fine tune reaction are ALL over the country! 

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Luckylefty
PS, again I would love to see someone Impending/Rico/other followers buy this ball and try to use on light volume of oil vs the same ball with a starting top of 3.  It's cheap.
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #33 on: May 03, 2014, 07:45:54 AM »
Do I have to keep the covers the same or can I properly prepare the one ball with the correct surface prep for the conditions?

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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #34 on: May 03, 2014, 08:21:15 AM »
It would be cool to see both ways.

Same surface one with ending top one without same drilling.   Then adjust surface to see if a surface alteration can compensate for 3 ounces different of ending top and bottom! 

Yay.

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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #35 on: May 03, 2014, 11:59:03 AM »
It's just like the test BrunsNick did with the Lane #1 ball. Pin distance was the same, but the cg was shifted to create positive side weight on one and negative side weight on the other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipSCwh-E8Fw
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2014, 10:00:44 PM »
Bat,

I did see that before.

1. I didn't buy it! Because I had seen another one which I can't find now where a player first threw positive created a burn and then negative.  It was not convincing because of the order.  The second ball after friction was created turned back strongly to the hole.

2.  Oh, by the way I have a ball drilled pin over bridge and cg negative about an inch or so.  It is very interesting and similar to the experiment above.  If I come in after an evening league by about the 3rd game I cannot be beat once this ball starts working.  It pushes very well thru the drying mids and goes very straight to it's breakpoint except for as the friction slowly increases on the left in the late mids I finally get a couple of boards of midlane.  I have then taken this ball to league and it has been absolutely worthless.  No recovery and no midlane.  (As you all know we have quite a bit less friction from the lane bed surface and also more oil on our side.

I am in the casual process of redrilling to be straight up over the bridge and the cg on grip center to contrast the midlane from the drilling.  (To see if it will work in the more liquid league oil shot).

3.  Even Just has admitted that cg's are 7% of reaction versus "nomaddeh"

4.  This example of the linked for sale ball on ebay is about serious ending bottom weight on an already early rolling ball.  I have known many good righties who were bowling with bottom weight balls and have been disappointed.  Not as serious on the left I don't believe because of our heavier midlane oil and lack of lane bed friction!  I have intentionally used balls with slight bottom to smooth things out!
I expect an ending difference between the balls of 3 ounces.  It should be interesting.

Thanks Impending!

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Luckylefty


 
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #37 on: May 03, 2014, 10:21:56 PM »
Lucky,
I did a test on my DeTerminator on my Rico'd Loaded Revolver and it had a higher spin time than I expected. Maybe with a higher spin time that is the reason some are having trouble with this type of layout at your center? If they are having issues with the lane machine not getting the lanes stripped properly, the ball isn't turning the corner correctly to get the corner pins out. It's almost like they would have built in carry down before you bowl. Just a thought and my $.02, Bruce
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #38 on: May 03, 2014, 10:24:56 PM »
I also find that ball rolls as good as any I have and I think sometimes it's the best reaction. The DeTerminator doesn't factor in coverstock, so you just have to use the info for core strength and alter the cover to best fit conditions!
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2014, 07:51:39 AM »
Lefty,

Tell your pro shop guy to jump on here and have a discussion with this. Let's see if he actually knows what he's talking about it if he's full of hot air, because you seem incapable of shaking the notion that static weights don't matter. I know my stuff. I talk to plenty of pro shop owners who have customers like you, and call them out on their bull. If your "negative cg" ball isn't usable during league, why not adjust the surface?

This topic is getting silly. You see studies, and don't buy it, but you have a clue? Get a job with Brunswick and SET THEM STRAIGHT!

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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2014, 09:00:02 AM »
Does this mean you are not doing the study you alluded to above?

Bruns/Just/Rico now states 7% factor not "nomaddeh".  I believe him now.  I love every advantage!

Regards,

Luckylefty
PS  Note I have seen two studies of pin over and cg on both sides.  One verified what I have seen one didn't.
PPS As to current pin over negative CG, I like taking their loose change after league!  Push!
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2014, 09:44:08 AM »
I have realized your comments are nothing less than to create an argument, not a discussion
My reference of 7% was taken out of context...I merely referenced USBC's contention not mine
I know what creates & effect ball motion/reaction and use those to my fullest...statics are never...NEVER something I check or concern myself with due to the fact of the primary effecters of reaction.
Legitimate opinions should NEVER be based on personal/individual results...EVER as they prove merely a limited result or moment...results have to be based on the whole...you are giving nothing more or less than your limited opinion and/or perspective
And this will be a limited situation I will not respond to you anymore...I choose not to get in a war of words with you as it is absolutely pointless and a waste of my time...
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2014, 10:10:32 PM »
But I rely on your posts for entertainment....

Sort of like Profootballtalk.com, prior to being sold to NBC.

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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2014, 10:13:12 PM »
Not directed at you...I think
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2014, 10:28:43 PM »
Edit...

Reply -->  Rely

Now it makes a bit more sense
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Re: RICO layout ok for all type of player?
« Reply #45 on: May 06, 2014, 07:33:20 PM »
Interesting....

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