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apocalyptic_rabbit

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There is no such thing as RICO and I will tell you why!
« on: November 04, 2008, 02:52:15 AM »
The term RICO drilling means nothing. Just about everyone will agree that layout are to be gauged off of a bowlers PAP.

So why is it then, that so many people subscribe to this "RICO" layout? My pap is 5 -  13/16ths straight across.

Just shy of 6 inches, from the grip center. Thus that is my Pin to PAP for RICO, someone who's axis is say 4-1/2 by - 3/4 up, is going to have a much different PIN to PAP.

Why is it the same people who claim that pin to PAP are the same people whoe rave about RICO.

Now there is an inverted modified RICO?

Thats it, I am calling all of my layout by names that you would expect to hear from a car commercial. My next ball is going to be drill with constant variable, triple stacked, double leverage, with a twist.

Please discuss?
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Re: There is no such thing as RICO and I will tell you why!
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2008, 03:35:01 PM »
justrico,,answer this
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Re: There is no such thing as RICO and I will tell you why!
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2008, 04:59:59 PM »

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Re: There is no such thing as RICO and I will tell you why!
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2008, 05:12:15 PM »
5 13/16th PAP? Might wanna work on that, Hoss.
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Re: There is no such thing as RICO and I will tell you why!
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2008, 05:24:06 PM »
For starters, by placing the pin in the grip center, you generally drill around the core leaving a majority of the dynamics of the core. Placing the weight hole at 6 3/4" from the primary pin increases the overall dynamics, by increasing the asymmetry of the core. By placing the weight hole in the PSA or mass bias, you also increase the overall potential or dynamics of the core. So generally speaking, if nothing else, this layout, no matter the pin to PAP distance, will have more dynamic potential.

The best way to understand the layout, is that it helps the bowler, generally speaking, with what they may lack in reaction. For example, most bowlers that have a lower track and/or spinner release, lack ball reaction or need more help with creating reaction. So by placing the pin in the center of the grip, the pin is closer to leverage, which is a strong pin placement, it will increase overall ball reaction for this bowler type.
A bowler with a higher track generally creates length easier and can have an over/under reaction on some conditions. This layout helps blend out front to back reaction.
A bowler with higher ball speed, the layout will help the ball slow down, thus creating reaction on higher volume shots.

Basically, this layout will give you a different reaction, than a traditional layout, when said traditional layouts do not work. I can also tell you that EVERY Brunswick staffer, on the exempt tour, has this layout in a multiple of balls in their arsenals.

I find it comical, the individuals that tend to call this layout 'out', saying it's not new, it doesn't work, it's a sham, etc. I can tell you for a fact, it does work when used correctly, for what it would be intended for each bowler type.
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Re: There is no such thing as RICO and I will tell you why!
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2008, 05:31:16 PM »
quote:
For starters, by placing the pin in the grip center, you generally drill around the core leaving a majority of the dynamics of the core. Placing the weight hole at 6 3/4" from the primary pin increases the overall dynamics, by increasing the asymmetry of the core. By placing the weight hole in the PSA or mass bias, you also increase the overall potential or dynamics of the core. So generally speaking, if nothing else, this layout, no matter the pin to PAP distance, will have more dynamic potential.

The best way to understand the layout, is that it helps the bowler, generally speaking, with what they may lack in reaction. For example, most bowlers that have a lower track and/or spinner release, lack ball reaction or need more help with creating reaction. So by placing the pin in the center of the grip, the pin is closer to leverage, which is a strong pin placement, it will increase overall ball reaction for this bowler type.
A bowler with a higher track generally creates length easier and can have an over/under reaction on some conditions. This layout helps blend out front to back reaction.
A bowler with higher ball speed, the layout will help the ball slow down, thus creating reaction on higher volume shots.

Basically, this layout will give you a different reaction, than a traditional layout, when said traditional layouts do not work. I can also tell you that EVERY Brunswick staffer, on the exempt tour, has this layout in a multiple of balls in their arsenals.

I find it comical, the individuals that tend to call this layout 'out', saying it's not new, it doesn't work, it's a sham, etc. I can tell you for a fact, it does work when used correctly, for what it would be intended for each bowler type.
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Well said Rico. Even though I have only tried it in one ball so far, I am sold on it.
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Re: There is no such thing as RICO and I will tell you why!
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2008, 06:43:24 PM »
For my circus release and rotation the Rico drill has never worked for me.  It always provided a stand up in the midlane and quit type of reaction down lane.  I've tried it in the following balls:

Fuze Detonator
BVP Ambush
Powergroove Pearl (marked the pin from the low RG axis on Determinator, not the factory pin)
Punisher
Total NV
Orbit Extreme
Oracle Vision

Without saying, thats alot of different balls on the scale for an experimental layout which I never saw a good reaction from.  My rotation is around 65-70 degrees, last time my tilt was measured, it was around 16-18 degrees, and my revrate is in the 290-315 range.  My axis is 4 1/4 right and 1/4 down.  I've only seen the Rico layouts work alot better for those who were more up and under the ball, or dead spinners that can't get the ball to wrinkle in heavier volumes.  That's the only way I'll drill that layout for a customer.

Does it kind of go without saying that the Rico layout doesn't read too well for higher rotation/high tilt players?
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Re: There is no such thing as RICO and I will tell you why!
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2008, 06:47:04 PM »
persistence dp3, i like it
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Re: There is no such thing as RICO and I will tell you why!
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2008, 07:01:42 PM »
havent seen that movie yet...
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Re: There is no such thing as RICO and I will tell you why!
« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2008, 03:25:29 PM »
DP3,

You might try a different release with the rico drill. I have seen your videos of you bowling. Your rotation of the ball is not that far from my regular release. Now, having said that,....here's my observations.

I have a rico drill on a Mystic and an old Track Hawk. I love this drill, but it gives me a different look on the lanes depending on conditions and release I use.

When I use my heavy oil release this ball goes straighter thru the fronts and mids than normal but gives me a very controlled, soft arc on the back! And I love the control it gives me for picking up tough splits as well. If I want to bend it, though, the ball will respond well, in a very controlled wide arcing manner.

When I come up the back of the ball, as I regularly do on a fresh shot, I find that I can play straighter, but still get power at the pocket with a little fade, thrown in for pin carry. This is an excellent drill, and one I plan to put next on a strong particle pearl piece.

Stick with it. It works
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