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PUGIDOGS

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High track and pin under???
« on: March 12, 2007, 05:46:03 AM »
Is pin under a definate NO NO for high track players?

 

JohnP

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Re: High track and pin under???
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2007, 03:28:34 PM »
You never know until you try.  With the pin under the fingers (out of the safe zone), high trackers stand a good chance of flaring over the finger holes.  If you don't mind a late "thump, thump", that's not a problem.  If you do hit the finger holes, a balance hole in the positive thumb quadrant may raise the track's bowtie enough to miss them.  --  JohnP

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Re: High track and pin under???
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2007, 07:50:32 PM »
High tracker here.
Pin under ring finger, weight hole in thumb quad.
Does not flare over the holes for me!
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Re: High track and pin under???
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2007, 08:44:33 PM »
It depends on how high the track is and how the particular ball flares. I have had label drills flare over the fingers on some balls. I suggest you try a used or a friends ball of the desired type to get an idea if the flare even comes close, before plunking down 200. Also, how low the pin is matters(rico).

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Re: High track and pin under???
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2007, 08:54:46 PM »
It depends on how strong the core you are going to use is. If you have a strong core, then it will start flaring before it hits the lane and track farther away from your fingers and thumb than normal, so you might be able to get away with a pin under drilling as long as you don't normally track up on the fingers and thumb to start off with.

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Re: High track and pin under???
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2007, 09:22:28 AM »
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High tracker here.
Pin under ring finger, weight hole in thumb quad.
Does not flare over the holes for me!
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Same here...however, I have had some balls drilled pin under without a weight hole that thumped all the way down the lane.
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Re: High track and pin under???
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2007, 08:21:52 AM »
In general, if you draw a line from your PAP thru the pin, you can find the bowtie by marking the spot where this line intersects your track.  As long and the bowtie is not below your fingers, you should not flare over the fingers.  As always, this may vary depending on the specific ball, but it should be close.

As others have stated, a weighthole in the thumb positive quadrant can raise the bowtie if necessary.

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Re: High track and pin under???
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2007, 08:58:44 AM »
I'm a high tracker and it really depends on the ball and the flare capabilities of the ball. Sometimes even the lowly Fab Blue Hammer with a pin-in near the center of the grip, on dry backends will thump. (strange)

And then again, on the Track Machines (dynamic Robo Core Asymmetrical) the ball tracks quite aways from the fingers and the thumb (with long pin), with balls setup with strong MB.  Makes me think I want to try a pin-in/ pin under fingers type of configuration with one of the Machines - for a more gradual controllable arc look on the lane.

But then again, thinking, why risk trying when I know I can create a different mid roll with different wrist, hand, and finger positions on the ball. If more arc is needed we go with the Pin closer to the PAP and kick the CG/MB where the reaction/break point is chosen to be seen. Granted Pin-ins would give a earlier more gradual arc.

If your willing to experiment, have the time and money, go for it. With all of these different covers and weight blocks on the market its really hard to make a generalization about whether one would track a thumper or not.  Only thing I always would look at - how much flare potential in the ball?  A pin-in configuration with a very high flare potential ball would red flag a high roll track player to stay away from pin-ins.  (YMMV)

Most pro drillers will try and stay within your "safe zone" for drilling.  I know my driller always wants me to stay above the finger line or at least very near the finger line with medium to high flare potential balls based on my fairly high track.   - I guess one will not know unless one experiments with a sample drilling.
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Re: High track and pin under???
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2007, 09:12:20 AM »
I do not see a reason not to place the pin under the fingers for a high tracker.

In fact, I have (at least) two balls with such a drilling (Trauma and Frankie May Gryphon) and a stacked CG. I am a high tracker and I get a very good reaction from both balls: earlier roll for a good mid lane read, rather arcing, continous back end. Very good carry, and works on a wide range of conditions. Not a spectacular sight on the lane, but very reliable and predictable.
In fact, if you want a controllable ball, this is IMHO the way to go, paired with a 1-2" pin distance and lower top weight. I guess this would also be great on a dry lane lane like a Power Groove Dry/R or a Pure Hammer.

The only danger I'd see is over-flaring if you put the pin in a strong position and on a high differential ball. Then you might clip the middle finger hole, the danger for this could be avoided with a higher pin position. But, again, this is not a no-no for such a setup for a high tracker. An experienced pro shop/ball driller should know this.
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Re: High track and pin under???
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2007, 10:36:01 AM »
I recently drilled a Dynothane Energy for myself with the Rico1 layout.  I have a strongly inverted track, 1 3/8" down.  It flares over the finger holes in the last 15 feet or so of the lane.  Even with a very large balance hole 6 3/4" from gc on a line through the cg.  What works for one bowler may not for another.  I'm probably going to plug the ball and try it 5 x 4.  --  JohnP