Post by: OHBowler on March 28, 2008, 02:12:25 AM
This is just to use at home when im not working in the shop.
Thanks,
Post by: azguy on March 29, 2008, 06:45:50 AM
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Post by: OHBowler on March 29, 2008, 07:17:36 AM
Post by: azguy on March 29, 2008, 07:49:33 AM
Best I can come up with at the moment.
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Post by: Slopsurprise on March 29, 2008, 10:21:00 AM
This is a GREAT bang for the buck, (6" of travel and under $500)
http://www.woodcraft.com/family.aspx?FamilyID=20301
I see you are in OH, here are you locations,
http://www.woodcraft.com/stores/Default.aspx?locate=state&state=OH
Oh, if you need glue for inserts and such, this is the BEST place to get it too. Much cheaper for the same kind of glue.
Edited on 3/29/2008 10:22 AM
Post by: JohnP on March 29, 2008, 11:33:01 AM
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Post by: BAPSBill on March 29, 2008, 11:59:12 AM
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Post by: applegam on March 29, 2008, 12:15:56 PM
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My bench drill press is a JET JDP - 17MF and uses 1/2 inch straight bits.
BapsBill
That looks more like a floor model to me
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004T9L0/interactiveda8031-20
Is this the same one?
Post by: Slick300 on March 29, 2008, 12:35:56 PM
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Post by: JessN16 on March 29, 2008, 03:00:57 PM
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I looked at the WoodCraft drill in the link provided. It looks great except it uses #2 Morse Taper bits. It's a lot easier to find used straight shank bits (but straight shanks are also more in demand and usually go pretty high on e-Bay). If you're going to buy new bits it doesn't make much difference. You might also look at Grizzly Industrial's products. Google it and check their website. -- JohnP
Edited on 3/29/2008 11:33 AM
I'd look into seeing if you could convert that press to 1/2 straight-shank bits. It should be as simple as finding a MT2 arbor with a Jacobs attachment on the other end, and then just buying a chuck. That would add $30-$50 to the end price of the drill but with 6 inches of quill travel it would be worth it.
Jess
Post by: JessN16 on March 29, 2008, 03:02:20 PM
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/3Z993
This is a Dayton press from Grainger. I don't know if you can order direct from Grainger, but Grainger now has a working agreement with all Lowe's stores. You can't order online, but if you can get to a Lowe's, Lowe's can order for you and have it drop-shipped to the store.
Cost on this press is $479 and it's already set up for straight-shank bits.
Jess
Post by: legend4life95 on March 29, 2008, 04:32:57 PM
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Here's a tabletop model with 5 inches of quill travel:
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/3Z993
This is a Dayton press from Grainger. I don't know if you can order direct from Grainger, but Grainger now has a working agreement with all Lowe's stores. You can't order online, but if you can get to a Lowe's, Lowe's can order for you and have it drop-shipped to the store.
Cost on this press is $479 and it's already set up for straight-shank bits.
Jess
The specs on that one say its a MT2, not straight shank.
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Post by: J_Mac on March 29, 2008, 04:41:06 PM
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Here's a tabletop model with 5 inches of quill travel:
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/3Z993
This is a Dayton press from Grainger. I don't know if you can order direct from Grainger, but Grainger now has a working agreement with all Lowe's stores. You can't order online, but if you can get to a Lowe's, Lowe's can order for you and have it drop-shipped to the store.
Cost on this press is $479 and it's already set up for straight-shank bits.
Jess
The specs on that one say its a MT2, not straight shank.
The spindle is MT2, but it still comes with a 1/2 chuck...
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Post by: JessN16 on March 29, 2008, 05:13:08 PM
The MT2 spindle they're talking about is on the OTHER end of the chuck, where it goes up inside the drill press motor -- the spindle. You have to assemble these things yourself.
What you'll have is a metal cylinder with a MT2 attachment on one end, and the Jacobs attachment for the chuck on the other. You put the end with the MT2 attachment up into the motor end of the press, while the chuck attaches to the Jacobs attachment on the other end.
When you see "spindle: MT2," that tells you what type of receiving end lies up inside the motor. Other types include a threaded, screw-in type of attachment, and there are a couple others.
Jess
Post by: legend4life95 on March 29, 2008, 05:22:44 PM
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The MT2 spindle they're talking about is on the OTHER end of the chuck, where it goes up inside the drill press motor -- the spindle. You have to assemble these things yourself.
I stand corrected. I remeber that when I put mine together.
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Post by: JohnP on March 29, 2008, 05:31:19 PM
Post by: Slopsurprise on March 29, 2008, 08:43:30 PM
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Here's a tabletop model with 5 inches of quill travel:
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/3Z993
This is a Dayton press from Grainger. I don't know if you can order direct from Grainger, but Grainger now has a working agreement with all Lowe's stores. You can't order online, but if you can get to a Lowe's, Lowe's can order for you and have it drop-shipped to the store.
Cost on this press is $479 and it's already set up for straight-shank bits.
Jess
The last time I ordered from Grainer (a few years ago) you had to be a business and prove that you were a business to purchase from them. I dont know how the deal with Lowes works though???
Post by: Slopsurprise on March 29, 2008, 08:47:06 PM
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I looked at the WoodCraft drill in the link provided. It looks great except it uses #2 Morse Taper bits. It's a lot easier to find used straight shank bits (but straight shanks are also more in demand and usually go pretty high on e-Bay). If you're going to buy new bits it doesn't make much difference. You might also look at Grizzly Industrial's products. Google it and check their website. -- JohnP
Edited on 3/29/2008 11:33 AM
I'd look into seeing if you could convert that press to 1/2 straight-shank bits. It should be as simple as finding a MT2 arbor with a Jacobs attachment on the other end, and then just buying a chuck. That would add $30-$50 to the end price of the drill but with 6 inches of quill travel it would be worth it.
Jess
Now it seems that isnt the case, the 6" of travel at that price is near impossible to beat IMO. I wish I bought that one instead of my Hitachi I got from Lowes. Maybe I will sell it and get one of those?
Post by: JessN16 on March 29, 2008, 10:16:34 PM
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The last time I ordered from Grainer (a few years ago) you had to be a business and prove that you were a business to purchase from them. I dont know how the deal with Lowes works though???
The Lowe's hardware department manager told me Lowe's Corp. has a partnership agreement with Grainger now. If you find something in the Grainger catalog that you want, you can order it through Lowe's and it will ship to that Lowe's. I don't think you can have it shipped straight to your house, but for a tabletop drill press, you can get that into most any car. I'm not sure if Lowe's adds a surcharge or not, but my local Lowe's quoted me exactly the price for that Dayton press that I was able to find online.
Jess
Post by: BAPSBill on March 29, 2008, 10:27:13 PM
My Jet is setting on the bench.
Took the number from the data plate.
What more can I say.
Bapsbill
Post by: OHBowler on March 30, 2008, 12:33:45 AM
Post by: JessN16 on March 30, 2008, 01:08:11 AM
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so i floor model is probably going to work best?
That's a matter of taste. Most shops I know have big table models. One or two have floor models. I have a floor model because I couldn't spare any table space.
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Also is the most important part having at least 4 inches of spindle travel?
My press has 3.25 inches and it's fine for most applications. But more is better, always. 5 is better than 4, 6 is better than 5. But spindle travel is THE most expensive option on a drill. Basically, add $100 for every inch over 3.
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Does Horsepower matter that much?
Probably the least important option, IMO. And if you get something with 5 inches of spindle travel, it's going to be so high-end that it will have more than enough horsepower.
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Also when it says chuck size 5/8 does that mean my 1/2 straight shank bits wont fit?
To the contrary -- a 1/2 straight-shank bit is equal to 4/8. A chuck that accepts 5/8 bits actually takes bits larger than yours. What "chuck size 5/8" means is that it accepts anything from 0 up to 5/8.
Jess
Post by: Slopsurprise on March 30, 2008, 09:49:55 AM
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The last time I ordered from Grainer (a few years ago) you had to be a business and prove that you were a business to purchase from them. I dont know how the deal with Lowes works though???
The Lowe's hardware department manager told me Lowe's Corp. has a partnership agreement with Grainger now. If you find something in the Grainger catalog that you want, you can order it through Lowe's and it will ship to that Lowe's. I don't think you can have it shipped straight to your house, but for a tabletop drill press, you can get that into most any car. I'm not sure if Lowe's adds a surcharge or not, but my local Lowe's quoted me exactly the price for that Dayton press that I was able to find online.
Jess
Thats pretty awesome! Thanks bro.
Post by: OHBowler on March 30, 2008, 09:54:44 PM
Post by: bowler001 on April 01, 2008, 11:25:26 AM
http://www.use-enco.com/CGI/INSRIT?PMAKA=308-0057&PMPXNO=8743167&PARTPG=INLMK32
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Post by: OHBowler on April 01, 2008, 03:37:49 PM
http://www.deltaportercable.com/Products/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=15685
Would this press work nice? Does it take 1/2" straight shanks? It says 5/8 chuck so from what ive learned it does?
Post by: getuaload on April 01, 2008, 03:53:36 PM
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Post by: JessN16 on April 01, 2008, 09:28:17 PM
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My question is...would a ball/pitch jig (not sure of exact name) fit on any and all of these presses?
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My drill press at home is a 13-inch press and a X-Y jig fits on it with room to spare. My jig is very similar to the basic jig that Jayhawk sells.
The "13-inch" refers to the "swing," or basically, clearance out away from the center post. The Delta 17-inch should be far more than enough to accommodate the jig. From the pictures, the table on that Delta is far bigger than the one on my Mountain; what you're looking for in a table, though, is whether you can bolt the jig to it. Virtually every table lets you bolt down to it; otherwise, it would be useless to a woodworker.
Jess
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Post by: OHBowler on April 07, 2008, 10:44:16 AM
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productDetail&productId=133570-32764-17-950L&lpage=none
http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/items/3Z993
Post by: azguy on April 07, 2008, 10:54:18 AM
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Post by: OHBowler on April 10, 2008, 01:12:25 PM
Post by: Trackoholic on April 10, 2008, 02:24:48 PM
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Post by: OHBowler on April 10, 2008, 03:03:48 PM
Post by: Trackoholic on April 10, 2008, 06:42:11 PM
The stand up presses have the ability to drill very tall things, I found it to be much more practical to get a bench top for bowling balls.
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Post by: JessN16 on April 10, 2008, 07:35:27 PM
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Track is that hard to do? How is your dayton working for you?
You'll be assembling whatever press you buy unless you buy something used and have it trucked to your house. All these presses come in pieces in boxes.
You won't "remove" the table on a brand-new press; you'll simply not install it at all.
Jess
Post by: JessN16 on April 10, 2008, 07:37:22 PM
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Without alot of experience in drilling my thoughts are towards a benchtop press. I think the base of the press would be less likely to move/change positions. All of these tables tilt, swivel, etc, where the bases are fixed. Once you center up your jig and tighten it it seems to me there would be less chance of it moving. I should receive my plug cutter tomorrow and then my drilling practice will begin. I have a couple older balls plugged and ready.
The stand up presses have the ability to drill very tall things, I found it to be much more practical to get a bench top for bowling balls.
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My press is a stand-up press. You just mount it to a couple of pieces of thick plywood and you're good to go. I also have the advantage of my shop having a raised, wooden floor, so I bolted the thing into the floor itself.
Jess
Post by: OHBowler on April 11, 2008, 10:10:13 AM
Post by: JessN16 on April 11, 2008, 12:28:39 PM
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after reading all the previous post on spindle travel is 3.5 inches long enough or do you need 5 inches on a bench top to remove bits without removing the ball? Also is a 15 inch big enough?
15-inch should be fine.
3.5-inch quill stroke is average. You should be able to do everything you need with that. Also, you can cheat and get some extra length when you need it by loosening the chuck jaws, dropping the bit down a half-inch or so and retightening the jaws.
I can change bits with the ball in the jig but I have to open up the jaws wider.
If you're going for 5 inches on a bench-top press, you're going to spend some money.
Jess
Post by: OHBowler on April 11, 2008, 12:39:25 PM
Post by: JessN16 on April 11, 2008, 02:23:38 PM
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That dayton bench with 5 inches is $479.99 from gainger. Im really thinking about that one. Due you have to pay teh shipping if you drop ship it to lowes?
Call Lowe's and ask. I never got that far with them.
Jess
Post by: Trackoholic on April 11, 2008, 02:34:43 PM
One other thing to consider if you're getting a benchtop model is the distance from the base to the chuck. Depending on which jig you get it may or may not be ideal. You might want to calculat the height of the jig, ball on jig, length of drill bits, and make sure they will fit good. If the jig sets too low, the 5 inch stroke may still not be enough without modifications. This is one plus to a stand up with an adjustable table.
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Post by: JessN16 on April 11, 2008, 05:04:18 PM
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One other thing to consider if you're getting a benchtop model is the distance from the base to the chuck. Depending on which jig you get it may or may not be ideal. You might want to calculat the height of the jig, ball on jig, length of drill bits, and make sure they will fit good. If the jig sets too low, the 5 inch stroke may still not be enough without modifications. This is one plus to a stand up with an adjustable table.
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That's why I chose a floor model in the end. I couldn't accurately estimate what I was going to need from a bench model, at least not to my satisfaction, before buying. Buying the floor model made those calculations irrelevant.
Jess
Post by: JessN16 on April 12, 2008, 12:57:24 AM
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Just an idea to have the best of both worlds....buy the 6" stroke floor model...they come disassembled and the columns are usually 3" heavy wall tube that slips in the base and the powerhead slips over it at the top. Figure what you need for your jig take up...whether you want to bolt it to the base or the table. Cut the tube to the desired heighth to shorten it up and put it together. You will have 6" of stroke on a bench top press.
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Post by: OHBowler on April 12, 2008, 07:56:38 PM
Thanks!
Post by: novawagonmaster on April 12, 2008, 08:37:23 PM
I have a floor model drill press in the garage (I use my trusty Gil-Mac for bowling balls
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Post by: OHBowler on April 12, 2008, 08:42:20 PM
Post by: JohnP on April 12, 2008, 09:15:20 PM
http://grizzly.com/products/Mini-Milling-Machine/G8689
Post by: AngloBowler on April 13, 2008, 08:03:53 AM
I don't think it'll do the job to be honest. A brief look shows the maximum distance from spindle to table is under 12" if you take the diameter of the ball (8.5") plus the length of the bit (4" say) then the thickness of the jig itself I don't think it'll work. I would think that you'd need a minimum spindle travel of 4-5" combined with a table-spindle distance of 15-18" or so...
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Post by: azguy on April 13, 2008, 08:15:58 AM
I don't think it'd work either. I measured my chuck to table and have 17 inches. Not sure what the difference in spindle/table and chuck/table would be, that'd depend on the length of the chuck, but IMO, you're 6 inches short. JMO
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Post by: handy zone on April 13, 2008, 08:48:57 PM
Post by: OHBowler on April 14, 2008, 09:00:26 AM
MInus the table being round and smaller how do you think this jet would work for the price? Would i be able to cut that base down for a bench if need be?