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And now, another mass bias question.........
« on: March 27, 2016, 05:46:21 AM »
 We all know, most of us anyway, that drilling out the mass bias in a ball makes the mass bias stronger, but what exactly does that mean, "stronger"?

 Does it mean the ball will flare more? Does it mean that the ball flare will migrate faster? Does it mean that the ball will transition and roll sooner?

 The reason I ask is, I recently purchased a used ball. It was fully plugged, but had the mass bias in the strong position previously, and an x-hole drilled adjacent to it that was also plugged.

 When i got it drilled, I put everything back to as close as it had originally been as I could, but I did NOT drill out the x-hole again. It (the mass bias) is in a strong position (between p3 and p4), and I was wondering why they had drilled it out, and what effect it would have on the reaction characteristics between leaving it plugged and drilling it back out.
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Re: And now, another mass bias question.........
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2016, 10:23:52 AM »
When drilling into the ball you begin changing the core numbers, rg, diff, and the int diff.

Usually with pin up layouts you increase the int diff the most because you are taking out a lot of the side of the core creating more asymmetry. From the experience I have had using blueprint software to try out different reactions in layouts, weight hole locations etc etc I found that putting the pin up and having the psa in the thumb hole was the most aggressive location for increasing the int diff possible with out adding a weight hole. In terms of the amount it will increase the balls internal diff numbers vs other locations

The only reason I tried this was for a friend I drill for who doesn't like x-hole in his equipment period. So I was trying to find the best options no matter how minimal and non effective in the end that I could for drilling a ball for him since an x-hole was not an option.

The asymmetric core bowling balls burn off energy faster is how it is usually always explained and gives me a good visual of that compared to something more symmetric.

I would focus more on the actual weight hole location and affect with the drilling more then just the psa location and the x-hole being on it.  When you drill the ball prior to a weight hole the psa moves towards the thumb hole.....then when you drill a weight hole in a different location the psa will then move again towards the added weight hole. The bigger/deeper the hole the more it will shift. The pin also moves with the psa equally away from holes that are drilled.

They could have drilled the ball that way for any number of reasons. The end results aren't always as much as people think or expect to see on the lanes. The numbers of the core may change what seems like large amounts, but that is deceiving when applied to real world applications on the lanes.

If you get time try out the free trial of blueprint software......it takes a few minutes to figure out and get going but it will give you hours of entertainment and some better understanding of what is happening to a bowling ball when being drilled.

http://blueprintbowling.com/
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Re: And now, another mass bias question.........
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2016, 10:29:47 AM »
Found some pics saved from using the bp software will add.


First pic is the ball undrilled and the core specs below it
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2016, 10:31:31 AM »
Here is the core specs after drilling the ball 30 x 5" x 40

You can see the change in the core numbers after drilling along with the original pin and psa locations and where they shifted after drilling.

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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2016, 10:33:18 AM »
Here we change the layout slightly to put the psa in the thumb hole and get a slight changed in the int diff strength

30 x 5" x 80

Notice the psa stays right there in the thumb and doesn't move much, same for the pin.
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2016, 10:40:46 AM »
This one is the earlier 30 x 5" x 50 layout again with a large 1" x 3.5" deep x-hole added down near the thumb.

The weight hole is located 3.5" right of the center grip line and 2.5 down.

You can see the shift in the pin and psa along with the change in the core numbers.
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2016, 10:43:48 AM »
Last one of with the same size weight hole moved out towards the VAL and down.


The weight hole is 5.5" right of the center grip line, and 2.25" down. Notice the shift in the pin and psa and also the core numbers. Not as big of change in the int diff and diff as in the previous weight hole location.

Hope that helps some, I almost forgot I had these saved. Its cool software to try out.
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Re: And now, another mass bias question.........
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2016, 11:17:06 AM »
THANKS!
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Re: And now, another mass bias question.........
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2016, 02:24:34 PM »
You also have to know how the asymmetry is created...if it is a knob instead of shape you can actually lower the diff due to drilling out the asymmetry
From what I use it for, drilling into the mass bias creates more overall reaction and continuation thru the back part of the lane
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Re: And now, another mass bias question.........
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2016, 08:50:54 PM »
 Mr. Hamlin,

  Yes, it is a mb creared by a "knob" rather than simply by shape or density placement.
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Re: And now, another mass bias question.........
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2016, 09:07:04 PM »
Then it should not have an increase in overall reaction but more so smooth out the overall reaction
By removing the knob or extra piece you're creating a more symmetrical shape
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Re: And now, another mass bias question.........
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2016, 07:32:36 AM »
Thanks again guys.

 Sometimes the wealth of knowledge available here just amazes me.   8)
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