Post by: Miffy1980 on February 27, 2010, 02:28:52 PM
1)What is a weak drilling in terms of pin to pap distance very generally generally speaking. I sort of figured out 3 3/8 pin to pap is as strong as it gets.
But in some post where a weak drilling is mentioned so i thought i ask. Is it having the pin as close to the pap?
Post by: TWOHAND834 on February 27, 2010, 10:42:47 PM
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Post by: Miffy1980 on February 27, 2010, 11:11:56 PM
then can i carry on to ask what is the difference with a pin on pap (i would imagine the core to be horizontal) and a 6 1/2 inch pin to pap (the core to be perpendicular to your axis)
am i correct that the pin on pap layout gives u earliest roll?
what does the 6 1/2 pin to pap do? does it make the ball go longer and used on very dry conditions?
Post by: BigBaller on February 27, 2010, 11:14:02 PM
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Obviously you were not listening to your ball...
Post by: AngloBowler on February 28, 2010, 03:41:41 AM
I would say anything 5.5" or longer is a weak drilling, as is anything 1" or closer to the PAP.
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Post by: Miffy1980 on February 28, 2010, 06:58:26 AM
o really appreciate you guys dumbing it down so i can understand it. haha.
i get the picture now.
so basically if i wan more length i get my core as close to the high rg axis as possible (generally speaking of course)
you guys are great.
Post by: charlest on February 28, 2010, 07:08:49 AM
On asymmetric or Mass Bias cores, weak drillings are 1.5" to 2.5" pin to PAP (least flare).
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Post by: Miffy1980 on February 28, 2010, 08:01:52 AM
wat would constitute a pin on pap or short pin drilling on a sym core?
on the flip side, u wouldnt call a 6 1/2 pin on an asym/ mass bias ball a weak drilling?
Post by: charlest on February 28, 2010, 02:51:25 PM
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Hi charlest
wat would constitute a pin on pap or short pin drilling on a sym core?
tyring to make a ball do nothing but roll.
I suppose at times for some people this can work, but it is an extremely specialized arsenal weapon.
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on the flip side, u wouldnt call a 6 1/2 pin on an asym/ mass bias ball a weak drilling?
Nope. According to Mo Pinel, THE expert on mass bias balls, it provides maximum flare. Anything from about 3" on out, for a mass bias balls does that.
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Post by: six pack on February 28, 2010, 03:06:37 PM
Nope. According to Mo Pinel, THE expert on mass bias balls, it provides maximum flare. Anything from about 3" on out, for a mass bias balls does that.
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I'm confused as to why other manufacture's drill instructions clearly shows a 5"pin from pap lay out as a length lay out on their asymmetrical cores. is it just different for Mo Rich cores?
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Post by: charlest on February 28, 2010, 03:51:44 PM
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Nope. According to Mo Pinel, THE expert on mass bias balls, it provides maximum flare. Anything from about 3" on out, for a mass bias balls does that.
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"None are so blind as those who will not see."
I''m confused as to why other manufacture''s drill instructions clearly shows a 5"pin from pap lay out as a length lay out on their asymmetrical cores. is it just different for Mo Rich cores?
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I don''t know. I do know that they roll differently. Ask Mo.
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Edited on 2/28/2010 4:56 PM
Post by: icewall on February 28, 2010, 09:02:58 PM
Large Track Flare
2 ¾†to 6 ¼†from PAP
Pin distances closer to 6 ¼†produce more FORWARD ROLL
(less axis rotation)
Pin distances closer to 2 ¾†produce more SIDE ROLL
(more axis rotation)
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Post by: JohnP on March 01, 2010, 09:39:28 AM
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Large Track Flare
2 ¾†to 6 ¼†from PAP
That's for balls with asymmetric cores, for symmetric cores max flare is 3 3/8" pin to PAP. -- JohnP
Post by: Miffy1980 on March 01, 2010, 10:42:50 AM
may i ask, when it comes to asym balls, ie balls with pre drill mass bias, how do we determine how "mass bias-ish" from the specs and figures?
Post by: JohnP on March 01, 2010, 08:54:43 PM
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may i ask, when it comes to asym balls, ie balls with pre drill mass bias, how do we determine how "mass bias-ish" from the specs and figures?
Asymmetrically cored balls will have two differentials, the standard RG differential and a mass bias (or intermedate) differential. The higher the mass bias differential the stronger the mass bias affect. -- JohnP