Post by: LadyW on February 25, 2004, 03:29:22 AM
I picked up the ball and tried it in two leagues. #1 - second shift #2 - fresh oil shot medium condition.
The ball was rolling and flaring way too much. Went back and had it polished with Ebonite Factory Finish. Used again in league #1. Tightened up the line a lot, shot 224 out of the gate with an open dead center. Now the ball seems better. League 2 - back to flaring and rolling too much though not as bad as first time around.* It seems like instead of backend he gave me flare.
I'll try my best to describe the drill. Pin directly above the ring finger, cg kicked out pretty far with balance hole approx. 5-1/2 inches from grip center.
I was told pin, cg and mb are running parallel with my track. MB in strong position. What should I expect from the layout.
What is the best part of the lane for me to play. I was standing on 20 and playing 2nd arrow bellying it out a little.
*I cleaned the ball with 409 orange cleaner after I used it the first time in league #1 after it was polished.
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Post by: TheBowlingKid25 on February 25, 2004, 08:17:15 PM
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Post by: LadyW on February 25, 2004, 08:29:03 PM
What is the best drilling layout for me to handle medium to medium/heavy fresh oiled and second shift with some carrydown?
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Post by: LadyW on February 25, 2004, 09:30:56 PM
Thanks for the info. The pro shop sold me a bottle of Track Clean N Polish.
Should I try applying that by hand before each league set? Do you think that will help?
When I first had it polished by the pro shop it cut the flare down and I was getting a great reaction. Then I cleaned it with 409 orange before using it again and it seemed to be flaring a bit more. Did the 409 change it's polished state?
The drilling you've drawn looks very close to mine.
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Post by: JohnP on February 25, 2004, 10:53:07 PM
Post by: agroves on February 26, 2004, 05:26:14 AM
This is just a suggestion, next time you pick a ball ask the shop for the drill instructions that came with it. If they don't have it (and they should) you can always print them out online. I would pick a drill pattern from the sheet and have the shop set it up that way. If they wouldn't give you what you want go somewhere else.
Good luck,
andrew
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Post by: LadyW on February 26, 2004, 11:18:20 AM
I was unhappy with my original pro shop so I tried this one based upon several recommendations from this forum.
Being a woman with limited bowling ability makes it difficult for me when dealing with a pro shop. I read and try to learn as much as I can. When I ask questions about why they did this or what it's going to do I never seem to get a completely straight answer. It's like they resent my questions as I obviously have no idea what I'm talking about. So, I give them as much information as I can about what I'm looking for and rely on their expertise.
I actually hate going to buy a new ball because it never seems to be a pleasant experience for me. Most people are happy to buy a new ball as it should be a happy experience.
When I purchased this ball I told him I wanted more backend. After he drilled it I used it and it was rolling and flaring too much. I went back and told him and his immediate reaction was "How am I supposed to know the exact lane conditions" said defensively. I then asked if it could be the drilling layout and he said "No, there's a lot stronger flaring layouts". So, I'm at a disadvantage because I don't know what to believe.
So, what is a woman to do??
P.S. Is it possible to change the location of the balance hole? Would it make a difference? Also, since I already have the Track Clean N Polish is it okay if I use it?
P.P.S Bob7 - It's the Blade Solid Reactive
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Post by: Goof1073 on February 26, 2004, 12:54:56 PM
I would agree with Bob7 in that the MB sounds like it out on your VAL. This would make the ball bleed off some energy in the midlane and not have as strong of a flip as it could have. If the MB was closer to your thumb it would be a more flippy drilling.
About moving the weight hole...the hole is already inside of your VAL which would make it roll just a little earlier. If you plug the hole and move it to 6-3/4" away from your centerline it will add more flip to the backend. You could even place it 1" below your midpline on your VAL and this will add some more finger weight and flip. The only thing I would be concerned about with doing this is flaring over the hole. Without actually seeing the amount of flare you are getting it's tough to recommend different things.
Post by: LadyW on February 26, 2004, 03:20:57 PM
Tomorrow before I bowl I'm going to clean it with the Track Clean N Polish and see how it reacts. I'm also going to measure the CG distance so we can determine exactly what position the MB is in. I'll also measure the distance of the balance hole.
I'll let you know the results.
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LadyWannabe
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Post by: agroves on February 26, 2004, 11:49:18 PM
Plus40-did I say that polish would cause the ball to flare less?? NO, I didn't. I simply stated that by applying polish it would increase the length of the ball. Then you said the basically the same thing i did.
Andrew
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Post by: Goof1073 on February 27, 2004, 12:43:34 PM
quote:Phatdon...just curious, but what exactly did I say that was incorrect??
LadyWannabe, Only Bob 7 and agroves are correct here. Listen to them, they know of what they speak.
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Post by: agroves on February 27, 2004, 11:51:13 PM
Phatdon--With all due respect, the weight doesn't matter if she has a good roll on the ball. So what if it is 13lb, it would still have a core just not as heavy as the heavier balls. It is better to roll a 13lb than throw a 14lber.
Andrew
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Post by: LadyW on February 28, 2004, 01:44:08 AM
Stood on 20 played 2nd arrow bellying the ball out. The ball hooked a little bit more than I would have liked. Did quite well though. Shot 184-219-206 =
609 series, not too shabby
Unfortunately not one game was clean
I called Hammer to find out what core was used in the 13. They said the tech guy wasn't in but they believe it's a diesel type core. Does anyone know exactly what they're using. Whatever it is I'm very pleased with the hit.
It carries very well for a 13. Had a lot of strikes tonight.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on February 28, 2004, 01:50:58 AM
All of it!
Did he watch you bowl first.
This sounds like an early roll archy drill. Not parallel to your track but instead at somewhere near a 45 to 90 degree angle to your track.
With slow speed it is tough to improve this.
Before redrilling 1:30 which should help you as stated above, try less surface.
Sand up to 1500 and add polish. (I've taken a dud and polished up to 2000 and made it sing. A weighthole in the same spot (to not mess up ball surface, but angled "OUT" 1/2 inch can increase backend also). This angle is "Right for a righty". Plug current hole and then redrill with the above pitch.
Good luck hope you don't have to redrill.
REgards,
Luckylefty
Post by: agroves on February 28, 2004, 11:49:46 PM
Andrew
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