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Equipment Boards => DV8 => Topic started by: Big Jake on October 23, 2012, 06:58:48 PM
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Hello DV8ers
I'm gonna ask you DV8 people a favor, if you dont mind. Could you put down your feeling on what you think the DV8 power scale is, I know it is a suggestive thing, however, it will help people like me out.
What I am doing is using a scale with the numbers from 1-20 with 1 being the minimal about of hook (basically your plastic ball) and 20 being the most powerful
hooker out.
So, 1 = no hook and 20 = massive hook. Also I feel the 1-10 scale is not enough room since there are a lot of DV8 balls out now.
And I am starting off with the Hell Raiser Revenge @ 17 on the scale
Also, I need to know what cover is what!! in other words the "Hell Raiser Revenge" = Solid Reactive .
Because I have been reading different covers on the same ball in here and other places as I think this would help people to decide their pick of what DV8 ball to get.
An example would be me: I thought that the original "Hell Raiser" was a Solid and I discovered it was a Pearl. Thanks!
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Hell Raiser Revenge
Hell Raiser Terror
Hell Raiser
Nightmare
Marauder
Marauder Madness
Too Reckless
Reckless
Misfit
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Ball Hook in Oil Backend
Hell Raiser Revenge 17 7
Hell Raiser Terror 15 9
Hell Raiser 13 4
Marauder 10 6
Too Reckless 13 7
Reckless 12 5
Misfit Green 10 9
Misfit Orange 7 5
Misfit Yellow 9 5
Slingshot (comparison)5 4
Versa (comparison) 14 7
I haven't had enough time to make a fair judgement of the nightmare and Madness
I can tell you that the Nightmare creates more backend than the Revenge.
The Madness is somewhere between the Revenge and Too Reckless in Hook and has similar backend to the Too Reckless
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Instead of hook in oil, shouldn't the graph be something like skid or cover aggressiveness?
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Thanks Brandon R.
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OK, I'm wrong again, in the above post I had said that I thought the 'original' Hellraiser was a solid but I found out it was a pearl, however, I now find out that its a "Hybrid"...so what is it??
So for those who know please list the ball cover for the matching ball, thanks.. heres the link that says its a hybrid...
http://www.ballreviews.com/dv8/dv8-hell-raiser-t279322.0.html
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What does the DV8 website say??
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After looking at it myself, the website says nothing; only what "class" the cover is. Why would they do that??
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@Twohand, bingo!! it basically keeps everything top secret, LOL, but thats OK I sent an email to DV8 and got a nice reply.
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Results about cover stock sent from DV8: Brian Graham Director of Sales and Marketing...
Hell Raiser Revenge = solid
Marauder Madness = solid
Nightmare = solid
Too Reckless = solid
All Misfit = solid
Hell Raiser = hybrid
Marauder = hybrid
Reckless = pearl
Hell Raiser Terror = pearl
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Does one find it interesting that a company that wanted to take "Brunswick" balls into a different direction (more angular as opposed to rolly), would choose more solid covers than pearls? Correct me if I am wrong. But wasnt that the reason behind DV8; to take away from the notion that Brunswick equipment is not angular on the backend? I guess it is possible to take solids and polish them to be angular. But at first thought, when you think angular, you tend to think pearl covers. Or at least I do.
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Does one find it interesting that a company that wanted to take "Brunswick" balls into a different direction (more angular as opposed to rolly), would choose more solid covers than pearls? Correct me if I am wrong. But wasnt that the reason behind DV8; to take away from the notion that Brunswick equipment is not angular on the backend? I guess it is possible to take solids and polish them to be angular. But at first thought, when you think angular, you tend to think pearl covers. Or at least I do.
But, Steve, that doesn't mean solids can't be angular too.
You're "assuming" when you imply that only pearls can be angular. You know what it means to "assume" (See "The Odd Couple", Felix's harangue against Oscar!)
I mean, look at the Cyclone, the Blue/Green Centaur (As you forced me to admit!!!) and more than a few similar polished solids. They are or can be quite angular.
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Does one find it interesting that a company that wanted to take "Brunswick" balls into a different direction (more angular as opposed to rolly), would choose more solid covers than pearls? Correct me if I am wrong. But wasnt that the reason behind DV8; to take away from the notion that Brunswick equipment is not angular on the backend? I guess it is possible to take solids and polish them to be angular. But at first thought, when you think angular, you tend to think pearl covers. Or at least I do.
But, Steve, that doesn't mean solids can't be angular too.
You're "assuming" when you imply that only pearls can be angular. You know what it means to "assume" (See "The Odd Couple", Felix's harangue against Oscar!)
I mean, look at the Cyclone, the Blue/Green Centaur (As you forced me to admit!!!) and more than a few similar polished solids. They are or can be quite angular.
I agree with you 100%. I am just referring to the tendencies of ones thoughts when it comes to angular balls and the types of covers. With one thinks angular, you think balls like a 3D Pearl Hammer, Storm Reign, Green Gargoyle, and other balls of that nature. When you think polished solids, the tendency is to think hard arc, but not really angular.
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TwoHands,
True. I even do that, but it is a prejudice we should try to wean ourselves off.
However, on the other hand, look at the recent number of "pearlized" and hybrid balls, some manufacturers have released that they are marketing DULL as oilers. I have avoided them since many I have to eventually polish to be able to use on the amount of oil I see. Balls drilled for a semi-strong reaction, when polished, will tend, for me, to become too flippy to control when they are based on pearlized balls, and, to a lesser extent, Hybrid balls.
So if I want to get a stronger ball, for my own sake, I tend to stick with solids. I see more pearls with strong backends than solids, although they are making more solids with very strong backends. Some examples start with the Virtual Gravity and end with the newest Mass Eruption (according to the current issue of BTM, a very strong backend).
Still, as someone wrote a long time ago,
"You buy a ball reaction, not a (specific) ball?"
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I'm thinking maybe the reason they don't tell you is for that exactly, they make a ball that's very angular, but most people will assume that since its a solid it wont be as advertised. A few other manufacturers are doing this also, Hammer for sure.
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Being that DV8 is making such a large line-up now I don't see them ONLY making angular balls. Maybe they started that way but I doubt it now.
I look at backend reaction and ball motion as faster, moderate and slower response times. Ball surface, layout and cover/core combo's allow for these factors along with the bowlers stats. For a complete arsenal a bowler needs all of these fast, moderate and slow response reactions to compete on more demanding conditions but not so much on house conditions.