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Title: Hellraiser question
Post by: tdub36tjt on November 12, 2011, 05:09:28 AM
My teammate bought a Hellraiser and loves it. However, he probably has like 30-40 games on it now and it has really tamed down a lot. It was really strong down lane when he bought it and now has lost a good 5 boards of hook. I am wondering what other people have noticed. Whether it just needs a surface refresh or an oil extraction plus a surface refresh?? 

Title: Re: Hellraiser question
Post by: tommyboy74 on November 12, 2011, 01:27:02 PM
I've never used the Hell Raiser.  However, with any heavy oil ball, including the Hell Raiser, it is important to keep up on it.  I would have the oil extracted and do a surface refresh to bring it back to like new.  I've had to do this once on my Nano already and it worked really well.


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Title: Re: Hellraiser question
Post by: Zack Pelton300 on November 12, 2011, 05:54:54 PM
I have used this ball quiet a bit and prob have over 50 games on mine and it has not lost a step. Might want to put it back to box finish or what ever surface he liked it at.

Title: Re: Hellraiser question
Post by: tdub36tjt on November 13, 2011, 10:38:22 AM
That is kinda what I was thinking. I thought maybe the rough buff had worn off and it was causing it burn up a little.....Since you have 50+ on yours and it is still going strong I assume it probably isn't quite time for an oil extraction yet.

Title: Re: Hellraiser question
Post by: dizzyfugu on November 13, 2011, 12:29:53 PM
I do not have so many games on my Hell Raiser's clock, but it keeps up its OOB performance. Anyway, I keep it clean religiously, and the OOB finish already shows some good wear, tracking up. The ball also seems to pick up ANY dirt, dust and grime, I suppose it is porous like a sponge... Typical high end piece, though.


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Title: Re: Hellraiser question
Post by: nocarey on November 14, 2011, 10:06:29 AM
here's a quick video showing the Hell raiser's oil absorbtion compared to another ball
 
click here for Hell Raiser oil absorbtion video 


Title: Re: Hellraiser question
Post by: on November 14, 2011, 10:30:24 AM
nocarey,
I know you didn't produce the video, but oil on the surface of a ball doesn't measure oil absorption. Oil absorption is the stuff already absorbed...
 


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Title: Re: Hellraiser question
Post by: JustRico on November 14, 2011, 10:39:23 AM
The way you measure oil absorbtion is by placing oil on the surface of the ball and measure how long it takes to dissipate or absorb into the coverstock. The longer it takes the slower it absorbs oil. 


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Title: Re: Hellraiser question
Post by: on November 14, 2011, 12:05:07 PM
I understand, Rico, just wondering how the video of wiping oil (with a finger) off the ball proves anything. Am I missing something here?
 
Okay, I just re-watched the video and on further review the oil absorbed faster into the DV8 ball. I stand corrected... I think...
 


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Edited by notclay on 11/14/2011 at 1:07 PM
 
Edited by notclay on 11/14/2011 at 1:07 PM
Title: Re: Hellraiser question
Post by: ecc0_9879 on November 14, 2011, 02:51:48 PM
 Maybe that is why my hellraiser died after 15 games I sold mine but my. Buddy is still fighting with his not. Impressed. With my first dv8


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Title: Re: Hellraiser question
Post by: JustRico on November 14, 2011, 03:11:34 PM
the stronger the cover stock in regards to absorption the quicker a difference will be noticed as far as change. The more there are peaks & valleys on the cover from grit the more that smooths out and appears less over all reaction.

It's like using a wedge with sharper groioves...the amount of times a wedge is hit, the more likelihood of the grooves smoothing out and creating less spin.


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Title: Re: Hellraiser question
Post by: on November 14, 2011, 04:17:46 PM
 
I understand that the cover needs to displace oil quickly, my initial response to the video was "why would oil on the guy's finger" prove anything? Then I watched the video again to try to get what they were doing.
 
Rico's answer explains why I have success with taking balls down to 500 or so before adding polish. The polish helps create length, while the underlying grit still gives the "microscopic peaks and valleys" necessary to aid oil absorption / displacement. 
 
It's no secret that most of today's aggressive covers require some routine maintenance for optimal performance.
 
I also believe that some bowlers buy the wrong ball for their conditions, i.e., the heavy oil ball trying to create hook on "less than heavy" oil conditions.  This scenario creates a ball that finds friction too early and a ball that is D.O.A. at the pins.    It's not always ball death. It is sometimes bad ball choice and / or bad surface prep creating the illusion that the ball is "dead".
 
 
 


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Edited by notclay on 11/14/2011 at 5:20 PM
Title: Re: Hellraiser question
Post by: dizzyfugu on November 15, 2011, 12:49:01 AM
 



JustRico wrote on 14.11.2011 4:11 PM:
the stronger the cover stock in regards to absorption the quicker a difference will be noticed as far as change. The more there are peaks & valleys on the cover from grit the more that smooths out and appears less over all reaction.
That's what I am afraid of with mine. Still, it works and hooks well, and I am curious how the ball takes to a surface refreshment when the time comes. It's the price you pay for a high end coverstock... :(

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Title: Re: Hellraiser question
Post by: Brandon Riley on November 15, 2011, 12:58:43 AM
No problems on the one we have here.  50+ games and it still rolls well.

Just make sure to clean it and don't be shy about resurfacing the ball to keep it in tip top shape   


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