Author Topic: issues with hellraiser (Read 9043 times)

toomanytenpins · « **on:** February 25, 2012, 06:08:50 AM »

I have both the hellraisers. I have found a use for the revenge,but the hellraiser baffles me. Neither ball hooks alot or recovers well,but at least with the revenge you can get a read on the lanes,but the hellraiser I never really know. When I do get a good look its pretty much the same look I have with my rising star,which is really depressing. The set ups on the two are only about a half inch apart over bridge,but the reactions are totally different. I even polished the hellraiser and that just made it worse. Took it back to box and just got pissed off all over again. Once again my 90 dollar ball outshines a hook monster,but thats another topic.

Any way hellraiser has a really long pin to cg and it just seems to labor down the lanes lope lope lope and then a weak marshmellow type hit. Carrys off pocket shots ,but pocket hits are ten pins. If I play straighter to the pocket you get better results ,but as the shot breaks down dont expect to be able to move left and get around it no recovery,its like rolling a rock down lane.

Its with a 4.5 inch pin 25 x 30 . I want to redrill it ,but I dont want to waste money on a bad set up. I throw about 15 mph and am looking for more versatility and more predictablity off the break point. I usually drill my strong stuff 4in pin under ring,but I am hoping to get a little more back end and more use when the lanes break down. I know ,if I love the rising star so much just use it. There are those occasions when its not enough and the mission x is too much,plus its bowling why do we buy balls,cause we can,not because we need them,ok sorry. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** February 25, 2012, 06:40:55 PM »

Sounds like it's drilled all wrong. It is an asymmetric. So the pin/MB.PAP relationship is very sensitive.

25 degree Drill Angle is a very early rolling, short length angle usually used for people with a LOT of tilt and/or Rotation or very high ball speed. Do you have a lot of Tilt or rotation or a lot of ballspeed (15 mph is not a lot at all.)

That could account for it not hooking much and for seemign to have a ball reaction like that of your Rising Star. The Hellraiser should be stronger than the RS, by anywhere from a little to a lot and it hsould handle a little to a good deal more oil. The RS is, in general, a medium oil handling ball for those with medium rev and medium ball speed. The HR should have more backend and more overall hook, again, by a little to a good deal, in general.

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kidlost2000 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 25, 2012, 06:45:50 PM »

The ball should be redrilled. You want the sum of the angles to be closer to 85 or higher.

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Brandon Riley · « **Reply #3 on:** February 27, 2012, 06:56:36 PM »

The Original Hell Raiser doesn't hook much for me either. The Revenge is about 6-8 boards more in my hands

I sanded mine and use it for medium type conditions, and it gives me an even read that goes through the pins well.

I know its not exactly what you were expecting when you bought it, it may not have been marketed quite right, but it does serve a purpose in your bag

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John D Davis · « **Reply #4 on:** February 27, 2012, 10:28:35 PM »

I have never threw a Hellraiser, but I am fixing to,etc. My answer to your question is to sell it while you can still get good prices on ebay and such. A great condition Hell Raiser may even bring close to 60-70 bucks without shipping.

I have thrown balls just like you have mentioned, and there is no explanation to why the ball rolls so bad sometimes. Its just basically a bad matchup maybe. What you can do is go to the guy that drilled the ball and have a heart to heart, and say look this thing aint worth a crap so forth. Most all proshops or the majority of the good ones, will plug it for you for free and drill it a diff. way. Just realize that ball wont sell now for crap. If you have to pay however for those services then you are wasting your money. You will pay 30-50$ more dollars depending on if you use grips or slug, and then you will have a 25$ ball to sell which just dont add up.

I would just take the most minimum loss you can and sell it now while like I said they are still hot. Some players have these problems just because they are assymetrical pieces unfortunately. With that being said, maybe on your next one, just be sure its symetrical perhaps. Good luck, John

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #5 on:** February 28, 2012, 01:42:20 AM »

I found my HR to be pretty condition-specific. It is a killer ball on fresh lanes, when the back end is clean and the heads fresh - and there its shows a true hockey stick reaction shape (I play at maybe 14-15mph, high track, 300 RPM). When the heads fade away, the ball becomes erractic. Lack of oil in the breakpoint area is not so much a problem, but have the impression that you just have to get it past the head area, and then literally "let it loose". But if it does not fit and work well, it simply doesn't - time to bag it. A friend of mine who bought a HR together with me also mentioned similar worries.

It is IMHO an extreme and responsive ball - consequently, its reaction might differ wildly and appear less versatile or predictble than simpler pieces. You want the hook, you get it - and you have a price to pay for it...

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JJ · « **Reply #6 on:** February 28, 2012, 07:13:51 AM »

Toomanytenpins,

I would try the Big Crank drill off of the DV 8 website. I put that drill on my Revenge and I have never experienced that kind of hook and backend reaction on any ball I have owned and I have had A LOT. I don't have a lot of hand and I am more left with my feet than ever and the ball really finishes hard.

JJ

sabman · « **Reply #7 on:** February 28, 2012, 09:58:34 AM »

That Hell Raiser Revenge is a beast in our local house with a slicker Brunswick Pro Anvilane surface. One guy went back-to-back sanctioned 300's in his first two games out of box finishing with a 835. I keep hearing stories of great individual series being produced with that ball.

Rc Charger · « **Reply #8 on:** February 29, 2012, 05:36:32 AM »

Toomany:

I would love to be able to see you roll the ball and see what going on. Sounds like both balls are reading the first transition to early. I definitaly wouldn't be afraid to look at plugging and redrilling if your not liking what you have for a reaction.

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toomanytenpins · « **Reply #9 on:** March 04, 2012, 07:18:02 PM »

I had the ball redrilled 35x4x65 and I really saw no difference. I left it at 500 1500 no polish and its not as strong as my rising star,not as predictable and totally inconsistent. Nothing like what i was seeing from the videos or what I was expecting. Money gone, not a spot in the bag for this one.

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Rileybowler · « **Reply #10 on:** March 04, 2012, 09:36:50 PM »

You have posted many different times on many different balls that didn't work for you and you even had many redrilled and still problems. My question is this who is recomending these balls to you or are you just going in and buying the ballls and picking your own layout, it's pretty obvious that there is a problem here whether wrong ball for condition, wrong drill for bowler style. I am not trying to give you a hard time but it sure seems that you need a new way of buying and drilling a ball. Could you tell us the process that you use, do you just walk in say I want that or do you tell the pro shop guy or gal I would like a ball for this condition to give me this look, just curious, like I said not trying to offend you.

Carl
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tommyboy74 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 04, 2012, 10:25:05 PM »

I was beginning to wonder the same thing. There was a time where a few balls didn't match up as well for me last year. However, after finding a new driller, going on the lanes, and working with the new driller to determine best layouts and surfaces, it took care of all issues. Maybe it could be a good time to seek out a new driller for a different opinion? Not trying to offend anyone here but sometimes that can be a cause of why balls are not working the way they are supposed to.

Rileybowler wrote on 3/4/2012 8:36 PM:You have posted many different times on many different balls that didn't work for you and you even had many redrilled and still problems. My question is this who is recomending these balls to you or are you just going in and buying the ballls and picking your own layout, it's pretty obvious that there is a problem here whether wrong ball for condition, wrong drill for bowler style. I am not trying to give you a hard time but it sure seems that you need a new way of buying and drilling a ball. Could you tell us the process that you use, do you just walk in say I want that or do you tell the pro shop guy or gal I would like a ball for this condition to give me this look, just curious, like I said not trying to offend you.

Carl
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mainzer · « **Reply #12 on:** March 04, 2012, 11:05:48 PM »

toomanytenpins wrote on 3/4/2012 6:18 PM:I had the ball redrilled 35x4x65 and I really saw no difference. I left it at 500 1500 no polish and its not as strong as my rising star,not as predictable and totally inconsistent. Nothing like what i was seeing from the videos or what I was expecting. Money gone, not a spot in the bag for this one.

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35 if that is the drill angle is awful low. I would have done it 65x4x35, that would help
it get down lane farther before starting up and would make it harder off the spot.

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toomanytenpins · « **Reply #13 on:** March 05, 2012, 09:51:07 AM »

I pick balls based on reviews and videos. The opinions I get from bowlers on this site,mostly.I don't neccessarily buy them because I need them I am curious to try them so I buy them,dont know another way to try em. I pick drills based on the ball,what its recommended for,what I want to see and what has worked for me. Strong balls I generally drill the same and so forth and so on. My driller's shop is not in the bowling alley,so having him watch me is not an option. If I am the only bowler like this I am truly suprised and I guess I have more to learn than I thought.

I know I am no pro and never will be. I probably will never avg. over 205. I have more bad days then good,but I like bowling and I like the aspect of being able to buy a ball now and again. I dont always post about the balls I do like no controversey in that. I can only base my opinions on my efforts and experiences. I am sorry I havent liked so many balls,I would have saved alot of money had they matched up,but had I given up I never would have had the ones I have liked. I think the thing that I shouldnt have done was thought this was a bowling site for all bowlers instead of one for pros that everything they do and use works.

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batbowler · « **Reply #14 on:** March 05, 2012, 11:03:37 AM »

I agree with Mainzer on the layout!!! I use lower drill angles, but I have about around a 75 degree axis rotation and higher drill angles go to long. I also use lower val angles on a lot of layouts with lower drill angles to place the pin higher.

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