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Equipment Boards => DV8 => Topic started by: charlest on October 17, 2014, 10:57:12 AM
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How does the Red/Orange Misfit differ in ball reaction and oil handling from the new Outcasts?
Thank you
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No one? Really?
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Ball doesn't release for another week and a half at least and there are other shiny pieces that have people's attention as well on the higher end of the spectrum. Honestly looking at the stats they seem to be the same balls, just re-branded. I don't know for sure, but YouTube videos and just looking at the numbers that is what I would assume.
But as the saying goes, assumptions make assholes ;D
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The outcasts are probably the same as the original misfits that came out(blue/orange, yellow/magenta and green/white). If thats so they will be a little stronger overall than the red/orange especially at the end of the pattern. Like McNeil said they are just rebranded kind of like what storm does to the hot line every year(Fast, Too Fast, Fringe, Punch Out).
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Thanks, guys.
That's basically what I had assumed, but, as you say, EL3MCNEIL, "when we assume, ...."
I figured they were just re-done Misfits to freshen appearances in the pro shop. The originals were too strong for lighter oil and these use the Red/Orange core to be more useful for beginners and light oil.
Hopefully some staffer who has tested them will give a straight forward opinion.
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Hopefully some staffer who has tested them will give a straight forward opinion.
Good luck with that! There's only 2 staffers on here that give honest reviews and neither one of them are on this staff. It would be nice though, I would agree.
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I plan on buying one on release.
When you compare the core numbers to the original Misfits the core is a bit weaker. The coverstock is also a bit weaker then the original covers on the Misfit.
Charlest just from what I am seeing on their website, I think and agree the original Misfits were too strong for an entry level ball. I think the Red/orange Misfit is eventually where they got the reaction they were looking for. Weaker core and cover then the original Misfit. At that point you rename it and make that your new ball for entry level.
The Outcast core numbers show to be a bit weaker then the red/orange and the cover doesn't have a C on the end of its name lol. I think they found what they wanted in the red/orange misfit to continue on with.
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I wish I could help. I never threw the Misfits. I drilled my Outcast last week. I have only used it for a few games. Our house shot is 43' and 24mL with wood lanes. Drilling is 70/4.75/55 (pin in the rf CG on midline). The Outcast got easy length through the heads, as expect, and had a good backend motion. I didn't see the ball hook too much unless I really hit it at the bottom and had slow speed. The OOB polish may be good for many, I prefer it at a smooth 4000 finish.
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I wish I could help. I never threw the Misfits. I drilled my Outcast last week. I have only used it for a few games. Our house shot is 43' and 24mL with wood lanes. Drilling is 70/4.75/55 (pin in the rf CG on midline). The Outcast got easy length through the heads, as expect, and had a good backend motion. I didn't see the ball hook too much unless I really hit it at the bottom and had slow speed. The OOB polish may be good for many, I prefer it at a smooth 4000 finish.
Thanks, tommymo, but with that much length and that much oil, I'd have to believe you'd almost need to throw an Outcast down the first the arrow to get to the pocket. I can see why you never needed to even think of a Misfit.
I think it would be more useful on 36-38 feet and 17 - 19 ml (typical of most house shots in my area).
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I plan on buying one on release.
When you compare the core numbers to the original Misfits the core is a bit weaker. The coverstock is also a bit weaker then the original covers on the Misfit.
Charlest just from what I am seeing on their website, I think and agree the original Misfits were too strong for an entry level ball. I think the Red/orange Misfit is eventually where they got the reaction they were looking for. Weaker core and cover then the original Misfit. At that point you rename it and make that your new ball for entry level.
The Outcast core numbers show to be a bit weaker then the red/orange and the cover doesn't have a C on the end of its name lol. I think they found what they wanted in the red/orange misfit to continue on with.
That's almost exactly my thinking, kid. Thanks.
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I wish I could help. I never threw the Misfits. I drilled my Outcast last week. I have only used it for a few games. Our house shot is 43' and 24mL with wood lanes. Drilling is 70/4.75/55 (pin in the rf CG on midline). The Outcast got easy length through the heads, as expect, and had a good backend motion. I didn't see the ball hook too much unless I really hit it at the bottom and had slow speed. The OOB polish may be good for many, I prefer it at a smooth 4000 finish.
Thanks, tommymo, but with that much length and that much oil, I'd have to believe you'd almost need to throw an Outcast down the first the arrow to get to the pocket. I can see why you never needed to even think of a Misfit.
I think it would be more useful on 36-38 feet and 17 - 19 ml (typical of most house shots in my area).
I'd think about an Outcast playing down and in more on my 39' 19ml house condition.
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It's an asymmetrical pattern and I'm left handed and bowl on old wood lanes. I can use it playing a small 10-5 area. But I agree that it would probably be better suited for 38-40' patterns with under 20mL. I also noticed the change in core numbers from the original Misfits and the change in cover stock. The Outcast is a great ball down for me when my Motion Holed Hooligan is too strong. Although I don't always need to step down because of the lack of traffic I see. The asym pattern does transition faster than our other symmetrical patterns, but I can generally make a small move in and still score.
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I found the Red/Orange to be fairly early for a lower end piece and can handle some decent volume if you decide to give it a light scuff.
My Green Outcast is definitely straighter through the front and revs up a lot later. Our drier house has first gen synthetics so we use 41' Beaten Path as our house shot and I took my Outcast to 2k just so I could to use it in league. It worked going right up the track and had a strong roll off the back but I know that it would look better on lighter patterns
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Thank you, Brandon.
I tried one of the early Misfits and it seemed very rolly, plus needing almost medium oil (for my release/delivery) to perform. I never got comfortable with it; might have drilled it wrong. I liked the idea behind the weaker core of the Red/Orange and, as kid and I and others discussed here, it seems like the Outcasts are DV8's new, "more appropriate for lighter oils and beginners" Misfits.