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Equipment Boards => DV8 => Topic started by: BIG G NC on June 06, 2013, 07:56:03 PM
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I've recently switched to dv8 after having a negative experience with another brand at nationals. I love the backend and continuation I am seeing, but this has created another problem. I need a smooth controllable ball that I can count on when the backends are flying. My first dv8 was the brutal nightmare drilled 55 x 5 x 30. I then punched a marauder to compliment at 65 x 4 7/8 x 60. Turned out to be just as strong and only a little earlier. I have a misfit yellow I'm gonna drill with a 6" pin up.My question is there another ball I should look into to fit what I need?
My specs are: PAP 4.5 over. Tilt 18 degrees. Speed 17 mph. 350 rpm.
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My suggestion would be either a reckless or diva. If you choose a diva, I'd hit it with 2000 abralon
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The Marauder Madness is probably the best definition of smooth in their lineup as far as I can tell. Drill one pin down and you'll compliment your other pieces.
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I've recently switched to dv8 after having a negative experience with another brand at nationals. I love the backend and continuation I am seeing, but this has created another problem. I need a smooth controllable ball that I can count on when the backends are flying. My first dv8 was the brutal nightmare drilled 55 x 5 x 30. I then punched a marauder to compliment at 65 x 4 7/8 x 60. Turned out to be just as strong and only a little earlier. I have a misfit yellow I'm gonna drill with a 6" pin up.My question is there another ball I should look into to fit what I need?
My specs are: PAP 4.5 over. Tilt 18 degrees. Speed 17 mph. 350 rpm.
Drill another Misfit or Marauder only this time; put the pin at 2 inches from your axis and no weight hole. This will already lay the core down and thus really smooth out the backend. I have an Ebonite Black Ice drilled this way and also going to be punching up a Track 300C Solid when I get it either this week or next. Even with my 500+ rev rate, it allows me to control the backends extremely well.
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I think for average rev rate speed matchups the 2 inch pin to pap can be a little weak in the punch.
A nice drilling a friend who is average revved and soft speed is 2 1/2 X 5 1/2 MB pin buffer 2 1/4inches.
Very even. Very smooth
He took it from this video....see Curlie at 17 seconds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGh7nRW73NI
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Unless you put that on a stronger ball. I think if you want predictability and a go-to control ball, use the 2 inch from axis on a misfit solid and change surface to fit your need.
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Low flare ball with a low flare pin position?
Smooth, possibly weak?
Regards,
Luckylefty
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2" pin to pap roll more consistent or versatile with a weight hole...without the weight hole they become extremely sensitive and less useful.
I can take a polyester and with some surface and a large weight hole, pls friction, can create smooth & controllable
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JustRico,
where do you like to put these weightholes on these drillings?
Regards,
Luckylefty
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Depends on bowler and how you want to effect the flares...
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Motivs are very smooth rolling bowling balls :o
But because you want to roll DV8 I would suggest the normal Misfit. You see Mark's, and it rolls smooth. The OOB surface will allow you to sand off the backend motion.
Welcome to the board!
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Unless you put that on a stronger ball. I think if you want predictability and a go-to control ball, use the 2 inch from axis on a misfit solid and change surface to fit your need.
Thats why I suggested the Marauder as a possibility. If the ball is shiny, then it wont lose all "pop" on the backend. He said he wants smooth and controllable and it doesnt get much more controllable and predictable than putting the pin close to the PAP.
If he wants to go up the boards, then pin at 2 - 2.5 inches from PAP is ticket. If he wants something with the reaction but able to play deeper, then he may need to go more towards 3 - 3.5 inches from PAP.
Another thing is that you are not going to do a 2 inch pin with a sanded surface unless he has ball speed. Needs to do something with a sheen if not shiny surface to still get through the fronts well but the pin close to PAP to control the backend.
As far as weight holes, I do not have much experience with weight holes in a ball with the pin at 2 inches and cg near center of grip. I now have two balls laid out this way; Black Ice and now the 300C Solid and neither have a weight hole. Black Ice rolled like Jesus on shorter patterns and have not thrown the 300 yet. Plan on doing a comparison in the next week or so.
The main thing we need to know is: what is this guys specs (ball speed, PAP, rev rate)? Then we can narrow it down as a 2 inch pin to PAP may not work for someone with a slower ball speed.
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Just Rico,
Could you please expand on your weighthole ideas for this drilling?
Regards,
Luckylefty
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TwoHand,
I missed the Marauder and saw the Misfit. I now see the Marauder and think it might be pretty nice with the 2 inch pin to PaP.
I had a Combat Zone 2 X 2 with a strengthening weight hole. Loved it early in a set!
The OPosters specs are listed above except axis rotation.
Regards,
Luckylefty
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TwoHand,
I missed the Marauder and saw the Misfit. I now see the Marauder and think it might be pretty nice with the 2 inch pin to PaP.
I had a Combat Zone 2 X 2 with a strengthening weight hole. Loved it early in a set!
The OPosters specs are listed above except axis rotation.
Regards,
Luckylefty
Thanks for pointing that out. Originally he didnt have it there and I did not go back to look. I will slap myself for that..LOL! Now that I see he has that 17mph and 350 rev rate, I now stand by my 2 inch pin to PAP with a ball that has medium strength cover and some polish. Think that the hybrid cover of the Marauder with the 2 inch lay out would be perfect for what he is looking for.
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I know u r throwing dv8, but the brunswick ringer seems to work for me on the condition u r describing. Mine is drilled 5x4 pin up and I just can't put it down. Not over responsive to friction and has great carry. Definitely worth alook. I think it is an underrated ball on the market, and I am a storm/roto guy.
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Thanks for all the responses guys. Punched the misfit yellow 65 x 6 x 30 layout and came up with some easy length and smooth backend. Thinking another misfit with a stronger pin down layout with smoother surface to bridge the gap between the brutal and the yellow. Marauder is the real shocker of the group. I had hoped it would be the gap ball, but it is way to strong. I am gonna dull the surface and let that work for my heavier volume ball. Thanks again for all the help.
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original reckless or madness within 2-3in of your pap. I bring them for either short patterns or medium patterns when I need a mellow reaction while playing straighter angles up the lane. You won't open up any angles with these balls/layouts and score but they are smooth
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So a 5-6 inch pin to pap for moving in to open angles?
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So a 5-6 inch pin to pap for moving in to open angles?
In the most general terms!!
You have to factor in all the usual suspects: bowler's release/delivery, Drill &VAL angles, and ball characteristics.
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Look at a Hellraiser. I know, not the latest greatest. But it is a smooth ball by nature with a very adjustable cover. Hit and carry better than average.