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Equipment Boards => Dyno-Thane => Topic started by: Sn on January 13, 2006, 12:29:13 AM
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I am looking for a ball that could go long like Fired Up but still has a strong backend. It would be played in medium oil conditions (THS).
Since I'm a fan of the Soaker coverstock I'd like to try something that compares with Fired Up but from Dyno-thane.
Thanks!
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I'd look at the Vendetta Pearl or the Energy if you want the Soaker.
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Edited on 1/13/2006 9:28 AM
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The Energy is the only ball I can think of in their premium line that would be roughly equivalent to the Fired-Up. Like the FU, it has a strong cover and a strong-ish core. Soaker covers are usually a notch strong than equivalents of other manufacturers' lines, but the Reactor on the FU is a new stronger cover.
I don't think they're precisely comparable, as few resin pearls work on TRUE medium oil patterns.
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Ditto on the High Energy
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I don't think they're precisely comparable, as few resin pearls work on TRUE medium oil patterns.
Sorry that I don't quite understand this.... so what conditions should the resin pearls work on?
I am not quite sure whether the Energy or the High Energy would suit me more. Actually I'm looking for a ball that works on medium conditions but when it starts to dry up I can still stick to that ball with a little bit of adjustments.
The specs of Energy and High Energy are quite similar. The Energy has a slightly higher RG and its cover is finished "600 Grit Wetsand Plus Polish". How does this compare with High Energy's "1000 Grit Smooth"? Which one would skid longer? And would the Energy lose the "Polish" after numerous games?
Thanks for answering my possibly silly questions!
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I do not own one, but going by the reviews of the High Energy some people are a little frustrated by it.
http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ManufacterID=4&BallID=642
It is always hard to suggest a ball that will fit someone without seeing them throw, but I believe that the Energy would be a good fit based purely on what I have seen this ball do, the reviews, and my knowledge of the sport. This ball can handle medium oil (most THS's) very well for most people.
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Edited on 1/13/2006 10:22 AM
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Personally I like my High Energy a whole lot more than my old Energy...but that's me. True the HE is a really strong ball out of the box, but the surface can easily be changed to help it push through the heads.
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The specs of Energy and High Energy are quite similar. The Energy has a slightly higher RG and its cover is finished "600 Grit Wetsand Plus Polish". How does this compare with High Energy's "1000 Grit Smooth"? Which one would skid longer? And would the Energy lose the "Polish" after numerous games?
The Energy would probably skid longer, since it is polished and the HE isn't. Sharper backend, too. And yes, polish does wear off, and how long it lasts will depend on your style and, to a lesser extent, the lane conditions. High-speed, high-rev players will wear the polish off a lot sooner than a lower-speed stroker like myself.
It's hard to say which will last through the night as the lanes dry up. If carrydown starts to set in, the polished Energy may skid too long in the now-lengthy oil while the HE will pick up its roll thanks to the 1000-grit cover. If the lanes are simply drying out, and moving in isn't a good option for you (to find oil enough for the HE to avoid burning up), the Energy will skid through the slightly drier heads and still make its move.
SH
Edited on 1/13/2006 10:31 AM
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If the Energy starts to lose its polish, would its 600 grit cover create even earlier hooking action than the High Energy, which has a 1000 grit smooth finish?
It sounds to me that the polish thing is not reliable because you won't know when it starts to wear off.
Actually I have a Centrifugal Mass to confront heavier conditions or medium conditions with carrydown. So I am just looking for something that would deal with medium and medium-dry conditions.
Thanks!
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I use a DT Energy strong layout stacked leverage Storm Step 2 which I would call 2000 grit polish for a dry-med. ball when I want to move inside to catch some head oil and still get some decent snap for better carry.
IMO...if you are looking for a dryish medium ball I would change the Energy cover to higher shine to get thru heads and still have enough pop in the backend. Although, I would say that both ablls would work depending on your technique, lane condition being bowled on and ball surface.
It all depends on where your comfort zone is and how you play the lanes.
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Scott
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If the Energy starts to lose its polish, would its 600 grit cover create even earlier hooking action than the High Energy, which has a 1000 grit smooth finish?
It sounds to me that the polish thing is not reliable because you won't know when it starts to wear off.
Actually I have a Centrifugal Mass to confront heavier conditions or medium conditions with carrydown. So I am just looking for something that would deal with medium and medium-dry conditions.
Thanks!
Yes, the underlying 600-grit finish would start up sooner once the polish wore off, but that would probably take a very long time for you. Your profile says low-speed, low-revs (like me), and factory polishes tend to last a very long time (longer than hand- or spun-on polishes), so I don't think reliability would be a real issue. That was the chief reason for It would be very, very gradual, probably on the order of a hundred games or more.
I'd go with the Energy if you want something different from your CM. If it's too much, do a 1000-grit polish like DT suggests for lighter mediums.
SH
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I will chime in with a suggestion of the Vendetta Pearl, long and strong
one of my favorite all time balls.
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I too agree that the Vendetta Pearl would be a good choice, but sn mentioned that he liked the Soaker covers.
Just try an Energy with the box finish first and see how it does. You can always polish it up later if you have to.
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I don't think they're precisely comparable, as few resin pearls work on TRUE medium oil patterns.
Sorry that I don't quite understand this.... so what conditions should the resin pearls work on?
Normally, light to medium-light oil amounts/patterns.
I use the word normally; this means without sanding and without very early roll drillings and without cranker style revs. So, I'm talking, the average resin pearl drilled in a variety of ways when used by the 90% bowler.
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I am not quite sure whether the Energy or the High Energy would suit me more. Actually I'm looking for a ball that works on medium conditions but when it starts to dry up I can still stick to that ball with a little bit of adjustments.
The specs of Energy and High Energy are quite similar. The Energy has a slightly higher RG and its cover is finished "600 Grit Wetsand Plus Polish". How does this compare with High Energy's "1000 Grit Smooth"?
In general, on average, the Energy is a polished all pearl ball, while the High Energy is a dull finished half solid, half pearl. It's going to be earlier and handle more oil than the Energy.
The High energy also has a slightly lower RG.
Of course, both being resins, the covers are easy to adjust, up or down as needed.
Both being Soaker coverstocks, they always, to me, seem to be slightly stronger, on average, in general, than most other resin coverstocks. (Not all other coverstocks, just most.)
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Which one would skid longer?
The Energy would skid longer being all pearl PLUS being polished plus having a higher RG.
This is just basics. The High Energy, being 1/2 solid and 1/2 pearl, can easily be polishedto get a good deal of skid and plenty of backend. In overall specs, they are close. The Fired-Up being all pearl should, as you question indicated, be closer, IN GENERAL, to the Energy, in my opinion.
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And would the Energy lose the "Polish" after numerous games?
Thanks for answering my possibly silly questions!
All polished balls, be they pearls or solids, lose their shine as use increases. How much they lose depends on how rough the lanes are and how many revs the bowler has plus, of course, the number of games. All polished pearls, be they particle or resin, need touch up on a regular basis.
Dull balls tend to migrate to about a 600-800 grit matte finish, as they are used. So, if a ball is at 400 grit, the finish will get finer as use progresses. If a ball is at 1000 or 1500 grit, the ball will get rougher as use progresses.
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Honestly, I think the release of the Element ZR40 from Dynothane would be the closest. I'm not sure of the release date yet, but it's up on the ABS website.
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Thank you all!
I think I'm going for the Energy.
Because I don't want to push my CM hard down the lane to clear the heads any longer.
For the newest Element Zr40, I think it would skid longer than my CM, but a bit too strong to play on the drier condition I desire it to.
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Honestly, I think the release of the Element ZR40 from Dynothane would be the closest. I'm not sure of the release date yet, but it's up on the ABS website.
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The 25th of January is the release date
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When I asked the Pro Shop owner about the Energy, he says that this ball does not have that strong snap as the Fired Up, so the FU is meant to be played on oiler conditions than the Energy.
Is there really nothing else from Dyno-Thane that compares with the Fired Up?
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I have a High Energy and it is a backend monster, its drilled pin over ring and cg stacked, polished with Legends ball polish. For me its long and sharp on the backend...
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I have a High Energy and it is a backend monster, its drilled pin over ring and cg stacked, polished with Legends ball polish. For me its long and sharp on the backend...
Perhaps this would be too strong for me, because my ball speed is low but my revs are currently increasing and they don't match very well right now.
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Energy and Fired Up have both similar numbers in BTM. If you have copies compare them. Both very close. I doubt you'd see much difference between them with same ball surface on the same lane condition.
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Scott
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High Energy and Energy are the two likely choices.
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