Post by: jjweb on March 08, 2004, 07:19:27 PM
This is what I was thinking of:
Anomaly (Drilled strong)
Vendetta Particle (I already own it, drilled pin under ring, CG stacked under ring)
Element (Already have one, pin above ring, CG about 1/2 inch past ring)
Thing (Already own this one too, drilled 3 3/8 leverage)
Thing Returns (Drilled to go long and snap)
Barrage (Drilled to be controlled on dry)
I also have a few questions though….
1. I have a Silver Streak Pearl drilled 4 X 4 (giving it to my brother). Would the Thing Returns go longer and turn harder than the SSP, if I drilled it up 4 X 4? Or would I get a similar reaction?
2. Would the Anomaly be stronger than my Vendetta Particle? I want to use it as my Heavy-heavy ball.
3. If I lightly polish the Vendetta Particle, would it still be effective on Med-heavy/Med carrydown? I wanted to use it when the Anomaly would be too strong, but the Thing is going too long.
4. Would I be able to use the Barrage on extreme dry? Could It also double as a spare ball?
I appreciate any help, thanks.
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Edited on 3/9/2004 3:06 PM
Post by: jjweb on March 09, 2004, 01:46:36 PM
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Josh
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Post by: jjweb on March 09, 2004, 02:10:38 PM
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Josh
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Edited on 3/9/2004 3:08 PM
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 09, 2004, 02:13:12 PM
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if your looking for length and snap, look into the D/T Element!
??? Mine is a mid-lane reader, and arcy, ...not flippy at all.......
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Post by: jjweb on March 09, 2004, 02:17:45 PM
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Josh
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Edited on 3/9/2004 3:12 PM
Post by: the prince on March 09, 2004, 02:48:30 PM
-The Barrage would work as a spare ball, but don't be suprised if you're bowling on a house condition and it hooks away from the 10 pin. I use my Thing Returns for dry lanes, drilled mellow it will glide through all but the most fried heads and still have energy on the back end.
-In my opinion, any DT arsenal should include the Black Vendetta, for me it fits in between the Vendetta Pearl and the Thing (I don't use the Element). It is the first ball out of my bag, any of the other regulars agree?
Post by: Phillip Marlowe on March 09, 2004, 05:37:44 PM
Anomaly, sanded to 600, drilled 4x2 or 4x3.
Vendetta Particle
Element
Thing (lightly polished)
Vendetta Black (polished)
Barrage (box, pin in, pin under ring, CG directly below)
I think that this line-up will provide you with a continuum of reactions you will understand and like, given your current line-up. If you would prefer more angular stuff, this is not it. But a 185 average bowler with a current arsenal of arcy stuff should probably not choose a snappy ball -- it simply won't be predictable for you,and that is what you need in tournaments.
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Post by: jjweb on March 09, 2004, 06:21:59 PM
Guys, I really appreciate all the help!!!
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Thanks,
Josh
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Post by: Phillip Marlowe on March 09, 2004, 06:46:00 PM
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I really thought the cores with the Soaker coverstock matched-up with me well, so I thought I would stay with that. I've had such success with that combination. But, if you guys think the Vendetta Black would be a better choice? I really liked the skid snap reaction (very consistent ball with an easy read) I was getting from my SSP, but I want to move all Dyno-Thane.
Guys, I really appreciate all the help!!!
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Josh
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Josh, I prefer more angular (snappy) equipment and don't particularly like the Black. But your tournament needs are definitely different than mine. For example, my tournament equipment includes an Anomaly, a couple of particle balls from other manufacturers (horrors), an Element, a Voodoo (P.C. designed it so he can't be too angry), a Thing Returns, a Vendetta, and a Barrage. My personal favorite of the bunch for tournaments is the Vendetta (just won a match play tournament using it for most of the tournament -- thanks Phil
). Snappier or flippier stuff has the advantage of getting through the heads and midlanes cleaner than most of the early rolling equipment, so you take more of the lane conditions out of play. However, such equipment requires consistency in speed and release to give yourself predictability at the breakpoint. Lots of folks, especially 180-200 average bowlers think they want flippier equipment (they tend to like the looks of the reaction) while what they need is more predictable, smoother equipment.--------------------
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Post by: jjweb on March 10, 2004, 11:20:13 AM
Would the Vendetta Black polished help blend out the tricky reaction on the backend? Or at least be smoother at the breakpoint?
How would you suggest to drill the Vendetta Black?
A few of the tournaments I'm going to bowl, are both local houses. One of the advantages I think I have is, I know how the lanes breakdown, playing then to my advantage is another story....
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Post by: jimensminger on March 10, 2004, 11:32:11 AM
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Post by: bamaster on March 10, 2004, 11:33:39 AM
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Would the Vendetta Black polished help blend out the tricky reaction on the backend? Or at least be smoother at the breakpoint?
I'd look into the particle stuff. That will smooth out your harsh transitions.
Start with the solid particle... drilled strong, medium polish. Should give you enough backend without jerking.
Tony
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Post by: jjweb on March 10, 2004, 12:23:45 PM
Anomaly (either 4 X 2 or 4 X 3, 600 grit)
Vendetta Particle (kept 800 right now)
Element (kept at 800)
Thing (around 1500)
Vendetta Black?
Barrage (pin under ring, CG stacked under ring)?
Did I cover everything?
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Edited on 3/10/2004 1:29 PM
Post by: the prince on March 10, 2004, 05:09:33 PM
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One of the problems I've been having lately is the backends drying out very quickly. If I'm playing my Thing and I swing it too far it hangs and either washes out or leaves some nasty double wooded spilt. If I try and move right, square-up and increase my ball speed, it turns way too hard on the backend, crossing over. I can play my Element on the shot, no problems swinging it, but I leave a lot of back pins (7, 8, 9) amazingly not that many 10's.
Would the Vendetta Black polished help blend out the tricky reaction on the backend? Or at least be smoother at the breakpoint?
Polishing the ball may only exacerbate the violent reaction you are getting on the backend. When I got my Black Vendetta, the box finish was too rough, the ball hooked at my feet, so I polished it up, and proceeded to leave a whole bunch of 4-9s and 2-8-10s. The ball hooked too strong off the dry, and not enough off the oil. Didn't carry the ball for a while.
After some consultation with the King, I took some of the polish off, so the ball has a sheen on it, and now it's the first ball out my bag, it doesn't snap, but moves smoothly and doesn't stop. I think you have to be willing to spend the time, practicing with a ball and tweaking the cover to get the ball reaction that you want, I think it is as important as the ball layout to success.
Post by: UCFKnight300 on March 10, 2004, 05:25:30 PM
Mike
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Post by: janderson on March 10, 2004, 05:35:52 PM
I agree with "the prince" - you can use the Barrage as a spare ball on medium through heavy oil, but realize that it will still wrinkle a couple of boards. After all, it isn't plastic.
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Post by: Phillip Marlowe on March 10, 2004, 05:47:22 PM
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Philip
Some responses to your post
1) yes I can
2) commissions
1. Spoilsport.
2. Hmm. OK. ...Let's see...just put in my order for another Vendetta and the Vendetta Particle... Happy now...?
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Post by: charlest on March 10, 2004, 07:41:40 PM
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Philip
Some responses to your post
1) yes I can
2) commissions
Mr. Cardinale,
If your answer #1 was to Phillip's use of the VooDoo, then will a polished Vendetta Black act like a VooDoo?
I have one that I have not yet drilled up, but I can test it when I do. I was interested in your opinion.
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Post by: jjweb on March 10, 2004, 09:19:27 PM
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Thanks,
Josh
When in doubt, go buy Dyno-Thane.
Post by: jjweb on March 11, 2004, 09:35:48 AM
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Josh
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Post by: bamaster on March 11, 2004, 09:48:47 AM
The Anomaly, Vendetta Black, and Barrage are very different balls and don't require layout tweaking to get a different reaction. You will end up polishing up the Vendetta Black a little, I'll guess to give you more of a skid/flip reaction. You can do the same with the Anomaly if necessary. The Barrage won't need anything.
Anyone else with a different opinion?
Tony
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Post by: jjweb on March 11, 2004, 09:51:20 AM
When you say polish a little, what level of grit should I go with?
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Josh
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Post by: bamaster on March 11, 2004, 10:01:11 AM
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Tony,
When you say polish a little, what level of grit should I go with?
hehe, this is the way I do it... I put the ball on the spinner, take a towel and squirt a little of resin polish on it, then polish the ball for 5-7 seconds... flip the ball over, 5-7 seconds again.
Yep, that'll do it.
hehe, maybe someone else can chime in with a more legit way of addiing some shine to a ball.
Tony
Post by: jjweb on March 11, 2004, 10:10:47 AM
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Josh
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Post by: jjweb on March 11, 2004, 01:54:38 PM
Anomaly (2-3 inch pin, 3-3.5oz top weight)?
Vendetta Black (2-3 inch pin, 3-3.5oz top weight)?
Barrage (1-2 inch pin, 3-3.5oz top weight)?
How would that work? With the Anomaly drilled either 4 X 2 or 4 X 3, what sort of reaction will I get with that?
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Josh
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Post by: jjweb on March 11, 2004, 09:40:31 PM
With the Vendetta Black I figured I would want a higher top weight, so It would move the reaction farther down lane (2-3 inch pin, 3-3.5oz top weight)?
The Barrage I wasn't sure about (1-2 inch pin, 3-3.5oz top weight)?
I still don't know how to drill the Vendetta Black though... Please correct me if I have missed anything or overlooked it.
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Josh
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Post by: the prince on March 12, 2004, 07:08:36 PM
My pro has drilled all of my Dynothane balls the same .... the CG is kicked out about 1/2", the pin is by the ring finger, which leads to the MB being just to the right of the thumbhole. I think that you should use a simple layout, and let the coverstock and the core do the work for you, allow the design characteristics of the ball to shine through. You need someone who knows how to drill balls to watch you bowl, and by evaluating your speed, rev rate, etc. can make suggestions. Unless anyone on this board has seen you bowl, none of us can make any suggestions that will be worth anything.
I don't want to speak for Phil, but when I would ask, "how should I drill this ball," he would always answer, "use your favorite drilling." If you read his response on the other thread, he says as much, and BTW I don't ask him anymore!
Post by: jjweb on March 12, 2004, 07:47:41 PM
Thanks everyone!!!
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Josh
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