Post by: bamaster on May 17, 2006, 02:12:26 AM
http://www.columbia300.com/interact/news.cfm?id=1787
Personally, I think if Columbia wanted me to sign with them so bad they could have just asked me.
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Post by: tekneek on May 17, 2006, 10:29:51 AM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on May 17, 2006, 10:31:28 AM
Ok Phil tell us how soaker will be exactly the same unless the same exact urethane base is used to produce the new runs of balls??? If the urethane vendor is exact i am sure it will be the same if not it will differ slightly by all logic.
Post by: ChrispyBrownies on May 17, 2006, 10:31:53 AM
WOO HOO!
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Post by: bamaster on May 17, 2006, 10:51:46 AM
The exact details of the new partnership is known to only a select few and I don't expect that to be shared on here. It has to be some kind of acquisition/merger by Columbia. Very strategic move.
Yeas, the future of the Soaker will be interesting. Phil and Billy have a lot riding on that technology. I have complete confidence they can meet or exceed its current performance.
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Post by: legend4life95 on May 17, 2006, 11:06:46 AM
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Post by: shelley on May 17, 2006, 11:26:28 AM
SH
Post by: Goof1073 on May 17, 2006, 11:30:36 AM
Personally I have no problem with Columbia making Dyno's balls for them. I've been utilizing the first ball made there (44 Magnum) and have had no issues with the ball itself thus far. Can't wait to see what comes out of this partnership.
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Post by: jimensminger on May 17, 2006, 11:39:42 AM
Post by: tekneek on May 17, 2006, 11:48:17 AM
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Post by: bgh on May 17, 2006, 12:07:52 PM
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Rumor has it Columbia is changing their name to Dyno-umbia
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Being a Jazz buff I'll go with:
Col-thane
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Post by: Left-Factor on May 17, 2006, 12:22:15 PM
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Being a Jazz buff I'll go with:
Col-thane
Yea! And their first ball can be called "Giant Strikes". The spare ball can be called "Cousin Mary".
Post by: 302efi on May 17, 2006, 12:51:33 PM
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Columbia Industries' today announced a long-term manufacturing and marketing partnership with Dynothane, Inc
This is a sad day...a sad day indeed
legend4life95, I'm right with you on this...but you gotta look at the future...What do you think D/T's gonna do after a ton of people and shops start caling for replacment balls ?
They will be back with Storm in no time
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Post by: DanH78 on May 17, 2006, 01:10:28 PM
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Post by: Moose Nugget on May 17, 2006, 01:16:41 PM
I am a firm believer in trusting those who are in the business for what is good for their company. I have to believe that it's much better to walk across the street or down the hall to maintain stricter quality control and have a better handle on all things involved. If the 44 Magnum is any indication of how this new partnership/arraingment is going to work I for one am looking forward to a bright D/T future. The Mag is a GREAT ball. Don't jump ship or pass judgement yet. Keep an open mind and trust those steering the ship until it sinks, I don't see any iceburgs.....yet.......
Post by: Traumabill on May 17, 2006, 01:37:50 PM
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I like how all these people are second guessing an expert such as Phil. "The man started one ball company, made it a success and then walked away on his terms (my guess is with a nice bit of change in his pocket). Not content to sit on his duff for the next 30 years, he bought a small company, and turned it into a very well known name. He doesn't strike me as a guy in it for the money, he wants his company to succeed, if he thought Columbia wouldn't give him a great chance to succeed he wouldn't have made the move. Phil essentially rented space from Storm, all the materials and designs were owned by Dynothane, I see this as being a similar arrangement."
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Except Phil took a position with Columbia Industries - VP of Business Development - to go along with his D/T responsibilites.
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Post by: tekneek on May 17, 2006, 01:44:01 PM
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Post by: charlest on May 17, 2006, 01:52:16 PM
What did you expect?
It's the American corporate world, where today's enemy is tomorrow's business partner/friend.
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Post by: KDawg77 on May 17, 2006, 02:04:04 PM
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Post by: shrapnel on May 17, 2006, 02:28:24 PM
I think the Dynothane acquisition will be interesting. I am not a huge fan of Columbia stuff but was VERY impressed with Dynothane. It will be interesting to see how this works and how the Dyno balls react/compare to Columbia, Track, and Circle.
Jeff S.
Post by: AllAirForceTwice on May 17, 2006, 02:57:02 PM
1) Does that mean all new line up since base resins are changing?
2) Should I be concerned with M80's durability? I hear about or see great OOB reactions... but then complaints that it diminishes with time. This is according to Columbia testers I know or have bowled with in the recent past. Seems like it counterdicts D/T doctrine...
28 years experience and 2 companies made rock solid by Phil says volumes... I may have to retire in SATX now... mmmmm hand-made tortillas...
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Post by: shelley on May 17, 2006, 03:06:45 PM
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2) Should I be concerned with M80's durability? I hear about or see great OOB reactions... but then complaints that it diminishes with time. This is according to Columbia testers I know or have bowled with in the recent past. Seems like it counterdicts D/T doctrine...
What does M80 have to do with it? It's a Columbia cover, not a DT cover. DT's always had their own covers, even when they were made by Storm.
I might be convinced about the cracking issue, as that can be a manufacturing problem just as much as a formulation problem (especially if it's true across several ball lines with different covers). If C300 starts manufacturing DT balls then those same manufacturing issues could carry over. I've never had a ball crack on me; my Icon2, Mutant, and Triple Threat are all in good shape and crack-free. I have a decent bit of loft, too. I know plenty of people with Track and Columbia balls that haven't had that problem (not disputing that other people have had problems, of course).
But I think DT will still have the same reputation for durability they've always had, especially with the Soaker balls.
SH
Post by: tekneek on May 17, 2006, 03:23:35 PM
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Post by: the prince on May 17, 2006, 04:54:19 PM
Everyone ought to just pipe down and give the new balls a chance. By the way, anyone seeing the Vendetta Magnum cracking in large numbers?
Post by: newguy on May 17, 2006, 05:05:57 PM
Phil
Post by: shelley on May 17, 2006, 05:15:34 PM
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You guys need to trust my judgement I've done this before and it's turned out for the best.
Phil
I trusted you. I think the problem was that "strategic partnership" is the most vague, uninformative way to describe what's going on as is possible. I know it's the sort of thing business people like to see in press releases, so it was entirely appropriate. But for us bowlers, there was nothing to indicate what was really going on. DT's faithful supporters were worried because C300 bought Circle not long ago and Chip was given a position within C300. We read the press release and see that you now have a position within C300 and think the same thing.
I think it's awesome that you take the time to read and post here, to clarify issues like this, and to interact with your customers. I don't see many other company presidents doing that.
SH
Post by: newguy on May 17, 2006, 09:50:09 PM
Time will tell, history does repeat itself. There ain't no more to add.
Post by: JessN16 on May 17, 2006, 10:42:01 PM
But I just bought my first Track ball in some time, a Machine, and I love the reaction I'm getting from that ball. It matches up very well for me, whereas past Columbia products have been far too mild. If D/T is going to use Columbia resins I would expect there to be not a lot of difference across the Columbia production lines.
I'm still cautious as to what this means from a marketing/promotion standpoint, as well as a variety standpoint -- i.e., I don't want any company to be a carbon copy of another. I'm always a fan of multiple options and choice. I just hope D/T doesn't become Mercury to Columbia's Ford.
Jess
Post by: AllAirForceTwice on May 17, 2006, 10:58:04 PM
That's a relief... I didn't recall reading this anywhere earlier and clears up all my concerns. I have been to the Storm factory to visit some of my ABT and league buddies who work there and on the tour I was told that Storm, D/T and R-G shared a base resin... I was not sure if the M80 formulation uses the same base resin or not... That's why I was asked.
"What does M80 have to do with it? It's a Columbia cover, not a DT cover. DT's always had their own covers, even when they were made by Storm."
Apparently everything Shelley, I probably should not have equated change in manufacturing site with base resin use though...
Thanks for the clarification Mr C.
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Post by: jls on May 19, 2006, 03:36:31 PM
bounce the ball a few times before putting it in the bag. sound familiar???
we have more honor scores with columbia balls than anything else since the action's came out, especially the packed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: jls on May 19, 2006, 03:48:47 PM
dyno does not break any doors down sales wise, and they were probably not getting the attn: they wanted from storm. in our shop roto and "storm" sell well, dyno is a tough sell, great ball line, just a tough sell, kinda like
amf balls.
also maybe the real reason could be their shoes, they can rival dexter, circle shoes are good, but at the lower end price point
now with both circle and dyno's shoes, columbia can become a major player in the shoe market.
also glad to hear phil and company are back with columbia, always liked those
guys when they were track!!!!!!
what is next columbia finally putting degree in 8 oz. bottles?????
or maybe they just never noticed all that track polish and cleaners in 8 oz bottles. people are not all stupid, some will spend $12.95 for an 8 oz. bottle as opposed to $7.95 for a 4 oz. bottle.
Post by: tekneek on May 19, 2006, 04:50:03 PM
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Post by: legend4life95 on May 20, 2006, 01:10:48 PM
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Legend where do you get this stuff from every single columbia ball ever cracked. please you got stock in storm or something, have not had a single columbia premium ball crack all season. sounds like you bowl tournaments, which could explain the cracking. most guys when they go down,
bounce the ball a few times before putting it in the bag. sound familiar???
we have more honor scores with columbia balls than anything else since the action's came out, especially the packed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually I said every c300 and track ball "I" have had has cracked out on me. Yours may not crack, but its funny that theres tons of other people that state the same thing I have experienced. I have no stock in storm and really have'nt bought anything storm in a couple years. I throw most anything, but after all the bad experiences with c300 made balls...I just try to stay away from them. To correct your other assumption, No I do not bowl very many tournaments. I am just a 190ish average bowler.
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Post by: Billy Ray on May 23, 2006, 01:38:11 PM
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Post by: kayoung08 on May 24, 2006, 08:47:42 AM
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Legend where do you get this stuff from every single columbia ball ever cracked. please you got stock in storm or something, have not had a single columbia premium ball crack all season. sounds like you bowl tournaments, which could explain the cracking. most guys when they go down,
bounce the ball a few times before putting it in the bag. sound familiar???
we have more honor scores with columbia balls than anything else since the action's came out, especially the packed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually I said every c300 and track ball "I" have had has cracked out on me. Yours may not crack, but its funny that theres tons of other people that state the same thing I have experienced. I have no stock in storm and really have'nt bought anything storm in a couple years. I throw most anything, but after all the bad experiences with c300 made balls...I just try to stay away from them. To correct your other assumption, No I do not bowl very many tournaments. I am just a 190ish average bowler.
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All ball companies ball can/will crack. its jsut the nature of the beast. the cracks are performance hindering,so whats the big deal?
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Post by: shelley on May 25, 2006, 02:52:19 PM
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I can't agrue about the bowling balls cracking at Track or Columbia. I have seen a few Brunswick balls as well as the AMF bowling balls crack also. Maybe it is just not Track and Columbia?
You're right, it's everyone. I know two people with cracked Brunswicks, one an older urethane (?) Zone that cracked completely around the ball about 1/4" and another with a Fuze Igniter that actually split in two. Both were kept reasonably well, they certainly weren't abused.
If a company had problems cracking, they'd either go out of business, get a reputation for crappiness, or fix it. Knowingly and consistently putting out bad products that have to be replaced is a fast way to lose customers.
SH
Post by: newguy on May 25, 2006, 05:17:25 PM
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