Thanks guys..I used the High Energy on the fresh shot in team,..1000 grey pad kinda semi dull. Drilled 6 x 4 with the pin under the middle finger, cg in the thumb quad, and a hole 3" under the pap..this drilling took away the big jump off the backends playing about 25 to 15. I used the Energy for doubles and singles drilled the same way, except the hole was in the pap,(less flare),..and it was 2000 glossed,...played about the same place in doubles/singles. Very smooth off the track and the hit was super,...the carry in singles was non-exsistant,...hit the pocket the same as in doubles, but that pair gave up nothing..both balls were drilled just for what I expected to see at Nationls,...something that would stay on line, and not get jumpy,..seemed to work..