Post by: Jeffrevs on October 02, 2003, 07:45:16 PM
D/T is getting a lot of praise here, and personally I think they have great stuff , i.e; soaker cover, etc....
However, when looking over the arsenal.....there really isn't anything specifically slated for heavy oil. The Element and Vendetta Particle say they "could" handle heavy, but out of box the heaviest ball is for med-heavy lanes.
When do you think a true heavier oil ball will be released....if any ?
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Post by: Jeffrevs on October 03, 2003, 10:53:34 AM
I was wondering if it would be another THING...or a particle Element ??
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Post by: Phillip Marlowe on October 03, 2003, 11:02:53 AM
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Post by: Jeffrevs on October 03, 2003, 11:13:09 AM
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What about a Cure or Elixir? I know you can find Cure's around but I'm not sure about the Elixir.
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Who the? How the? What the ?????
discontinued though.............you can still find them, but....
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Post by: Jeffrevs on October 03, 2003, 02:31:28 PM
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Post by: Jeffrevs on October 03, 2003, 02:38:28 PM
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Low system, high flare potential and agressive coeverstock.
I know I'm pushing it here..........but .....SOAKER ??
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Post by: Jeffrevs on October 03, 2003, 02:44:41 PM
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JeffNOrevs... What part of get on the email list didn't you understand!?!?!! hehe... had to yank your chain bro...
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MojoRoboBrace..........I am on the list, I just did it.....this is also for the D/T fans here on BR !!
What's the matter bro....interested !!????
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Post by: buried7pin on October 03, 2003, 03:30:15 PM
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 03, 2003, 03:33:30 PM
,...I'm on the list....You've said enough!...thanks
(edited from Friday after Phil's clarification!
)Edited on 10/4/2003 9:06 AM
Post by: Phillip Marlowe on October 03, 2003, 04:44:13 PM
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It was a joke, playing off of Mojo's response. If any one shares more info with you guys in the industry than I do I'd like to meet him.I also give you all the info I can realistically give and still maintain a competitors edge. Many times the guys on this site push a bit too hard for info that's when I simply do not respond. Understand I'm in the business of developing great product and selling balls, why would I not share all I could if it would help sell balls. But I do have to have some sort of buffer between giving info, tipping the competition and offending readers who feel they have a right to know everything before we are ready to divulge it.
I do by the way have a great sense of humor and like to be sarcastic at times. I also like to joke around with the guys that support us. I hope you were not offended by my comments if you were than I apologize and will avoid joking with you in the future. By the way I'm to old to get snippy. I would just not respond.
Phil, thank you for telling us about the oil ball you are working on. It lets me know not to go spending money elsewhere. Also, I don't see other CEOs on this board or as open as you are. I'll post what I've wrote to you directly: right now, you are making the best stuff out there for the better bowler. Period. Some of the stuff you designed at Track was amazing. Keep coming in, jerking us around and telling what you can -- and if we can't take an occasional joke, up ours. Good job.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on October 03, 2003, 09:53:00 PM
Tough direct, inciteful, helpful, funny! My type of guy!
REgards,
Luckylefty
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 03, 2003, 11:41:31 PM
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Post by: charlest on October 04, 2003, 12:29:20 AM
I have to believe Mr. Revs, AKA one P. Marlowe when he says the VP is not for heavy oil, as I don't ever face heavy oil here in NJ, but I have been trying to get different surface for my VP to work on medium-heavy oil. I sanded it to 1000/1200 and have polished it up a bit to around 2000 and still can't get it to make a decent left turn. It drilled 5 x 5.5, with the pin above the ring finger and the sucker just burns up in the mid-lane like no body's business. I certainly at this point in time find it hard to believe one with either Marlowe's revs or my slower speed can't use it on heavy oil.
I'm gonna try to get the polish up to 2000 or 2500 and see what happens.
Yes, it is medium heavy oil and if I go from my usual 40-50 degrees of rotation to 90 degrees, then the sucker will turn the corner, but that's far too much work .... next time.
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Post by: tempo on October 04, 2003, 07:08:19 AM
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 04, 2003, 08:41:54 AM
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Back to the Vendetta Particle, now that Jeff has calmed down ...
charlest, if you took the time to read what I wrote to Phil you would have seen that it was 2 fold....a little irritated if he was serious, but absolutely NOT irritated at all if he was kidding....he was kidding, I acknowledged that clearly, ....so what's the reason for your comment ??
I have heard/seen that about the Vendetta Particle before...i.e; charlest, Mojo and Phillip Marlowes discussion......
By the sounds of what Phil hinted at......I think what they're working on will fit the bill...........
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Post by: tempo on October 04, 2003, 10:17:49 AM
I'm only a Joe bowler so what I'm going to say below is my personal opinion, I don't have or expect any further info now other than sit tight and wait for more info from D/T website like New Guy suggested..
Facts: The following were the release date of D/T balls since the Vendetta:
Vendetta 07/02/02
Element 09/12/02
Vendetta Particle 10/29/02
The Thing 02/24/03
Vendetta Black Soild 06/24/03
The Thing Returns 09/25/03
The soonest release from one another is two months and longest is four months.
With Christmas coming, it would then make sense to either:
a) bring a new ball out beginning of Dec (two months time - earliest) so people can buy as X'mas presents
b) wait until after the New Year in end of Jan (four months time - latest) after people have recovered from spending in X'mas.
Personally, I think option a) is a better option as more and more people around the world use credit card nowadays. They might end up with overspending before X'mas and therefore takes a good few months to pay off their credit card bills therefore have no extra money to spend on new bowling gear.
Prediction: A super hooker being release early December
then next one on Mar/Apr.
Post by: Jeffrevs on October 06, 2003, 10:35:53 AM
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Hey Guys 2 comments. 1)I have no idea about those face things so I don't us them. Ususally I grab 10 or fifteen minutes a day to give input. So let me slide on adding icons or whatever they are called.
Fair enough......you don't have to USE the icon, you can make them too, semi colon and a right hand parenthesis =
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Post by: Phillip Marlowe on October 06, 2003, 04:09:32 PM
Now, I only rarely see appropriate conditions for a "heavy" oil ball. What most people call heavy is really just what I would call medium to medium plus, while what most folks I bowl with think is medium is actually medium light to light. That is because the average bowler throws hard with relatively few revs or with a high speed to rev ratio, so heavier or longer oil is a real problem.
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Edited on 10/6/2003 6:18 PM