Post by: tekneek on March 06, 2006, 02:54:57 AM
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Steve
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Capt Ramius "Vacilli, give me one ping, and one ping only"
Post by: dogman666 on March 06, 2006, 11:00:55 AM
Post by: tekneek on March 06, 2006, 11:07:18 AM
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Steve
Stars N Strikes Pro Shop
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Capt Ramius "Vacilli, give me one ping, and one ping only"
Post by: Goof1073 on March 06, 2006, 11:13:07 AM
...or the encripted message from Billy...
...which ever comes first! LOL
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Post by: scotts33 on March 06, 2006, 11:13:55 AM
quote:
He spoke in reference to a "Purple Haze" at first I assumed he was speaking of Jimmy
Jimmy Ensminger or Jimmy Hendrix?
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Scott
Post by: eglleftcoast on March 06, 2006, 11:18:37 AM
Post by: tekneek on March 06, 2006, 11:22:40 AM
I'll bet he doesn't even throw a purple pill these days.
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Steve
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Capt Ramius "Vacilli, give me one ping, and one ping only"
Post by: jimensminger on March 06, 2006, 11:29:01 AM
Post by: tekneek on March 06, 2006, 11:43:57 AM
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Steve
Stars N Strikes Pro Shop
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Capt Ramius "Vacilli, give me one ping, and one ping only"
Post by: jimensminger on March 06, 2006, 11:48:43 AM
i got some really cool Hawaiian shirts,..may wear one of those to bowl in one day,..
Post by: tekneek on March 06, 2006, 12:00:38 PM
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Steve
Stars N Strikes Pro Shop
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Capt Ramius "Vacilli, give me one ping, and one ping only"
Post by: scotts33 on March 06, 2006, 12:28:49 PM
quote:
gone but not forgotten,..i did keep a couple just in case...
I knew it!
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Scott
Post by: tekneek on March 06, 2006, 01:17:58 PM
memories. When life was more care free and simple.
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Steve
Stars N Strikes Pro Shop
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Capt Ramius "Vacilli, give me one ping, and one ping only"
Post by: newguy on March 06, 2006, 01:31:48 PM
being Tested. i'm suRe it Is a Core unlike Any we've used Lately. SINce it is Going in the d/t LinE, you can be Darn surE it's uNiquenesS Is Too cool. manY of you Can figure it Out. REally
Edited on 3/6/2006 2:23 PM
Post by: mrbowlingnut on March 06, 2006, 01:39:52 PM
Post by: tekneek on March 06, 2006, 01:41:46 PM
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Steve
Stars N Strikes Pro Shop
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Capt Ramius "Vacilli, give me one ping, and one ping only"
Post by: tekneek on March 06, 2006, 02:04:51 PM
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Steve
Stars N Strikes Pro Shop
www.dynothane.com
Capt Ramius "Vacilli, give me one ping, and one ping only"
Post by: 102101 on March 06, 2006, 02:25:40 PM
After switching to Dyno-Thane in December I have
purchased the CM, AU79, ZR40, and have the Thing Lives
on order in the pro shop. This new ball sounds very intriquing.
Hoping low RG ATC cover here.
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102101? Hmmmm
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Post by: tekneek on March 06, 2006, 03:06:12 PM
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Steve
Stars N Strikes Pro Shop
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Capt Ramius "Vacilli, give me one ping, and one ping only"
Post by: AllAirForceTwice on March 06, 2006, 05:58:07 PM
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Post by: DynoLess Daddy on March 06, 2006, 07:01:36 PM
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note the truth>>>>>(Dt..1st .... Shawn 2nd)
Shawn finally got the picture. He bought a whole bunch of Dynothanes and managed to make the All ARMY TEAM 2006..Way to go Dyno Daddy's #1 Girl!
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Post by: InternationalBowler on March 07, 2006, 12:51:41 AM
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 07, 2006, 05:26:02 AM
quote:
I'm sure you all have read New Guy's post and understood it. But for those who might need a little help here it is: A NEW ASSYMETRICAL SINGLE DENSITY CORE.
Now he's on the asymmetrical bandwagon....
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JEFF
"...nowhere is the dreamer, or the misfit so alone...."
Post by: tekneek on March 07, 2006, 06:58:32 AM
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Steve
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Capt Ramius "Vacilli, give me one ping, and one ping only"
Post by: tekneek on March 07, 2006, 07:33:45 AM
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Steve
Stars N Strikes Pro Shop
www.dynothane.com
Capt Ramius "Vacilli, give me one ping, and one ping only"
Post by: newguy on March 07, 2006, 09:03:03 AM
quote:quote:
I'm sure you all have read New Guy's post and understood it. But for those who might need a little help here it is: A NEW ASSYMETRICAL SINGLE DENSITY CORE.
Now he's on the asymmetrical bandwagon....
Yep jumped right on that bandwagon I know a winner when I see it, lets see that would make 3 since 1988. not 3 since last month.
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"...nowhere is the dreamer, or the misfit so alone...."
Edited on 3/7/2006 9:52 AM
Post by: tekneek on March 07, 2006, 09:29:04 AM
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Steve
Stars N Strikes Pro Shop
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Capt Ramius "Vacilli, give me one ping, and one ping only"
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 07, 2006, 10:25:11 AM
quote:
Yep jumped right on that bandwagon I know a winner when I see it, lets see that would make 3 since 1988. not 3 since last month.
You lost me. All I'm saying is,....you're doing another one. Not that you're doing a ton, or one per week, or too many,...just that you're doing another asymmetrical core....thus the word bandwagon. Wrong word I guess
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JEFF
"...nowhere is the dreamer, or the misfit so alone...."
Post by: Goof1073 on March 07, 2006, 11:51:22 AM
The core in the CM is unique design and took a ton of R&D time to design / prove out. The fact that Dyno came out with an asymmetric was not due to a fad, but was in response to a true need among staffers / tour players that needed the reaction to stay competitive on various conditions / surfaces that they see. I commend "the guys" for coming out with a truly unique core and not just rushing to market with any old thing. The fact that a new asymmetric ball in coming out is probably again to fill a void in their current line-up.
I'm looking forward to trying the new one out and it will more than likely find a welcome home in my bag, just as the CM did.
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Post by: Jeffrevs on March 07, 2006, 12:30:25 PM
my comment was more based upon the fact that Phil took/takes a lot of time bad mouthing strong asymm stuff calling it "smoke & mirrors" etc.....then he makes the CM...now this.....
that is where my comment is really based.
All that being said.........I too am interested to see what's coming
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JEFF
"...nowhere is the dreamer, or the misfit so alone...."
Post by: newguy on March 07, 2006, 01:52:09 PM
I have everything to lose by not thoroughly investigating and demanding scientific proof since MY NAME GOES ON IT. I must state that I am one of only a select few who can claim that,when Brunswick has a bad ball you never hear the persons name who designed it associated with the lemon.
So I profess that we will build only product based on science. Who else can claim that?
Edited on 3/7/2006 3:04 PM
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 07, 2006, 05:50:14 PM
quote:
If asking for Scientific Facts and proof is bad mouthing than I am guilty as charged, than I propose that anyone not questioning the scientific validity of "many bogus" claims is simply a naive individual looking to be duped out of hard earned cash.
Phil,...there you go again ...calling others "bogus." My point was simple, you take open shots at other companies (and people....and you and many others know who they are) about their product...call asymm stuff "smoke and mirrors" , then go ahead and do strong asymm stuff yourself. It just appears hypocritical, that's all. Just let your product do the talking....you're like a radio station that bad mouths other stations......let the product do the talking, not the owner!
Come down from up there Phil...the weather is fine on the ground!
quote:No argument there, ....but then again, no one said your name DIDN'T go on it either....
I have everything to lose by not thoroughly investigating and demanding scientific proof since MY NAME GOES ON IT.
quote:Understood, but really, don't all of you guys know who designs balls for others ?!? huh?
I must state that I am one of only a select few who can claim that,when Brunswick has a bad ball you never hear the persons name who designed it associated with the lemon.
quote:
So I profess that we will build only product based on science. Who else can claim that?
Uhmmmmm.....last time I checked....both symmetrical and asymmetrical bowling balls have some scientific (physics) factors to them....all of them do. Not just yours Superman
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"...nowhere is the dreamer, or the misfit so alone...."
Post by: newguy on March 07, 2006, 09:51:27 PM
quote:quote:
If asking for Scientific Facts and proof is bad mouthing than I am guilty as charged, than I propose that anyone not questioning the scientific validity of "many bogus" claims is simply a naive individual looking to be duped out of hard earned cash.
Phil,...there you go again ...calling others "bogus." My point was simple, you take open shots at other companies (and people....and you and many others know who they are) about their product...call asymm stuff "smoke and mirrors" , then go ahead and do strong asymm stuff yourself. It just appears hypocritical, that's all. Just let your product do the talking....you're like a radio station that bad mouths other stations......let the product do the talking, not the owner!
HA HA HA not even worth a response. Personal attacks usually are a sign of insecurity.
Come down from up there Phil...the weather is fine on the ground!
quote:No argument there, ....but then again, no one said your name DIDN'T go on it either....
I have everything to lose by not thoroughly investigating and demanding scientific proof since MY NAME GOES ON IT.quote:Understood, but really, don't all of you guys know who designs balls for others ?!? huh?
I must state that I am one of only a select few who can claim that,when Brunswick has a bad ball you never hear the persons name who designed it associated with the lemon.quote:
So I profess that we will build only product based on science. Who else can claim that?
Uhmmmmm.....last time I checked....both symmetrical and asymmetrical bowling balls have some scientific (physics) factors to them....all of them do. Not just yours Superman
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JEFF
"...nowhere is the dreamer, or the misfit so alone...."
Post by: newguy on March 07, 2006, 09:59:22 PM
quote:quote:quote:
If asking for Scientific Facts and proof is bad mouthing than I am guilty as charged, than I propose that anyone not questioning the scientific validity of "many bogus" claims is simply a naive individual looking to be duped out of hard earned cash.
Phil,...there you go again ...calling others "bogus." My point was simple, you take open shots at other companies (and people....and you and many others know who they are) about their product...call asymm stuff "smoke and mirrors" , then go ahead and do strong asymm stuff yourself. It just appears hypocritical, that's all. Just let your product do the talking....you're like a radio station that bad mouths other stations......let the product do the talking, not the owner!
Come down from up there Phil...the weather is fine on the ground!
quote:No argument there, ....but then again, no one said your name DIDN'T go on it either....
I have everything to lose by not thoroughly investigating and demanding scientific proof since MY NAME GOES ON IT.quote:Understood, but really, don't all of you guys know who designs balls for others ?!? huh?
I must state that I am one of only a select few who can claim that,when Brunswick has a bad ball you never hear the persons name who designed it associated with the lemon.quote:
So I profess that we will build only product based on science. Who else can claim that?
Uhmmmmm.....last time I checked....both symmetrical and asymmetrical bowling balls have some scientific (physics) factors to them....all of them do. Not just yours Superman
Doesn't even deserve a response. Personal attacks are usually a sign of insecurity. By the way no one twist your arm to read any of my comments.I'm the guy trying to enlighten the Dyno faithful and to help avoid scammers. As far as I'm concerned I'm done responding on this thread.
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JEFF
"...nowhere is the dreamer, or the misfit so alone...."
Post by: TheDude on March 08, 2006, 12:23:05 AM
It wouldn't be called marketing or trying to put the latest gimmick. It would be called innovation, and technologically advancing throughout the industry.
Being a smaller company that it is, sitting on the next big thing could be worth alot.
Even in the words of Mo Pinel himself" Visionary cores are quite strong" (him speaking about a Charcoal executioner that I had one time meeting him)
Phil this is not a personal attack but more a general question.
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Montreal, Quebec.
Post by: newguy on March 08, 2006, 09:00:42 AM
My point to all of this is do you buy a car that has a speedometer that says the car can go up 180 mph. Do you pay an additional $5000 for the feature that tells you how fast you can go eventually and than only drive the car in your neighborhood. The extra power is not needed so why have it added.
There is no proof be it CATS or otherwise that supports more strikeing or greater angle of entry (which usually yeilds more strikes)by having a stronger mid differential. If proof were availabel than everyone would eb using it in their marketing. No one has proven it, read all the media placements. Also if some did so scientific proof I certainly would have to eat crow.Brunswick as already proven that a diff above I believe .040 has very little influence on perfromace. I'm sure they are working on Mid diff effect.
Increasing the mid differential above .010 slightly may have a result, but doubling it or increasing it by an even greater amount is simply hype.
Another example is the overall diff number. It was once .080 as the upper limit. I developed the first ball that challanged that number, the diff was.078. It was mainly hype. Now that since USBC has reduced it to .060 that scoring did not come down due to the change from .080 to .060. As a matter of fact if they lowered it to .050 we would barely see a change in scoring if at all.
Physics and geometry are still the answer. Hype may sell balls but I assure you that is not what we are all about and will in the long run ruin the game. People will not coninue to shell out hundreds of dollars a year for equipment that simply does tha same old thing.
That is the reason we do not launch product until we are sure it does what we claim and fits into an arsenal.
It may take us a bit longer to get new product to market but when we do launch it we are comfortable with the performance and need less hype to sell it. That is when performance speaks for itself.
By the way who is that guy Mo Pinel you mentioned?
Post by: mrbowlingnut on March 08, 2006, 10:33:16 AM
Jeff take a chill pill and be nice to phil dont be a hater, it will be ok i promise
Post by: TheDude on March 08, 2006, 11:50:01 AM
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Post by: Jeffrevs on March 08, 2006, 04:23:01 PM
quote:Please!!!! I have ONE gripe with Phil (see above!). He's the only high level ball company rep/owner, etc that takes shots at other companies, and I just don't get it. That's my only issue.
Jeffrevs is too the dynothane forum what jabroni is too the lane 1 forums, jeff i like you but you are the biggest basher of Phil in the world.
quote:I never said his products where ANYTHING! As a matter of fact, I'm very interested with the things he comes up with! VERY! I always pay attention to what he's doing. I had an Element and loved it. I've never bashed D/T products....EVER!! If he'd stop taking shots at people, I just may buy a few,....and I mean that. That's what is stopping me from trying more of his stuff! Truthfully!
Phil products are overall great
quote:2 things....1) it's all about matchups "my friend".... 2) I'm not saying Morich is better than Dynothane, so relax
I would put this ball against any Morich ball i own on any day,
quote:that's his "bag baby" yeah ! (insert best Austin Powers impression here!
i think Mo is too stuck on Mass Bais balls only.
)quote:For optimum performance...as in ANY ball, asymm or symm, you need to know what you're doing. However, if you do it wrong, a strong asymm can be a really bad experience.
His products are not driller friendly unless you kotm or someone that good punching them.
quote:Now that is very intriguing to me and why I always keep my eye on D/T....I know Phil knows what he's doing...D/T has always had me interested. I have no issues at ALL with his products....I think they're all great! No question there....and if you look around..you'll see I've never bashed the product.
I can tell you the Cm drilling instructions are easy to use even for a dummy like me, i went over them with my friend/driller and the ball does exactly what Phil says it will. So guess what i bought a second ball punched it stronger and guess what it hooks more than the first ball just like the CM instructions say it will.
quote:I'll be nice to Phil (actually I am nice,....I like to jab him here and there though....he seems easy to irritate
Jeff take a chill pill and be nice to phil dont be a hater, it will be ok i promise
) but I'll leave Phil alone when he just lets his product do the talking. There's just no reason to bash others......just promote the product and let it's own performance take care of the rest. It's that simple.Whew......ok, I'm done, I hope I've clarified....once again.
D/T products ....GOOD
Phil ..... GOOD (let products do the talking though
)NOW....back to the topic, or at least the prior question....
Is there a way to do a study to see where the optimum performance would be on a mid-diff? Has it been attempted?
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"...nowhere is the dreamer, or the misfit so alone...."
Post by: newguy on March 09, 2006, 09:34:14 AM
Jeff stop coming on the thread just to break b*lls. Everyone is entitled to there opinion, I voice mine and I have every right to. As a matter of fact the questions were directed to me and I answer them how I see fit. You have every right to disagree but do not have any right to tell me how I should answer questions presented to me. If you view my opinions as bashing then so be it. Get over it. I take time out of a busy day to answer questions to help educate. If in my opinion I see something as smoke and mirrors then I will tell it like I see it. If people disagree then I suggest they have facts to back up their position, I certainly do.
I'm considered one of the experts in the industry and because of that certain perks come with that territory. I've done years and years of research, 20 years to be exact not counting schooling. If your sole purpose is to irratate someone when than I guess you should consider yourself an expert and if I were to have questions on that topic I'd ask you.
People ask me for help I give it willingly. If this thread is any indication of the way it's going to be than I'll spend my time helping others somewhere else.
Now to your question. Studies have been done. If you noticed the companies that use the higher mid diffs are smaller compaines or sub brands, one of which I started back in 1987. The parent brand in each case does not use the higher mid diffs. Ever wonder why? If they are so great and make the ball do magic tricks than why doesn't Columbia or Brunswick have a ball with a .020 or higher mid diff. They certainly would sell a whole lot more balls than say Track or Morich if they had the secret ingredient to better scores. They are the ones who do the studies and in many cases realize that it is hype (smoke and mirrors) marketing but there are people out there that buy in to this ploy and purchase the next latest and greatest. The parent company can not come out and say it is all hype because it would impact production of balls for the the sub brand. Thus they keep their respective mouths shut.They speak volumes by not lauching the same technology.
I have asked many of them to define mass bais (clinically) none have come forth, as a matter of fact many have begun to avoid using the term since there is not such term. I have also asked them to prove the impact of mid diff on scoring and again none have come forward. The USBC is now asking them to support many of these claims and they the USBC is now testing to prove out many of the marketing claims. As a matter of fact they threw many of the claims right in the faces of the hypers and said based on those claims they were going to ban weight holes etc. Suddenly many stood up at the meeting and said "well much of it is marketing" Now they are at risk of having some of the true technology impacted because of their false claims.
I have a study I beleive may still be posted on the D/T website that shows a ball (3 piece) rolled off a ramp at 16mph at 4 degrees angle of entry hitting the 18.5 board at the pins and striking 99% of the time. No extra holes no mid diff. At 6 degrees the strike area expands to 3 or 4 boards with the same results. Thus the 19th board to the 16.5 board all yeilded strikes. That's a scientific study. So it angle of entry that increases strikes. If the balls with the higher mid diffs can show how they increase angle of entry well than we've got something, but guess what, they do not impact it any more than a ball with lesser mid diffs.
My goal is to make sure the D/T supporters are not duped by this. If you ask an honest question with honest intent I'll be happy to answer it honestly.
Spell check is not working sorry.
Post by: bamaster on March 09, 2006, 09:44:44 AM
THE HUNGER
Featuring an inverted honeycomb weightblock with pancake flipblocks. Coverstock has Paprika Particle for extra bite.
I like pie.
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Post by: tekneek on March 09, 2006, 10:03:10 AM
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Steve
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Capt Ramius "Vacilli, give me one ping, and one ping only"
Post by: wulfpackbwlr on March 09, 2006, 10:28:30 AM
I appreciate all the info that newguy has given us when we have any questions at all about Dyno-Thane equipment. We seem to just have some poking at each other here that's perhaps getting a tad to serious. I'm very anxious to see what is coming out next, I dont have the money to buy it unfortunately, but still interested anyways.
Now, about this new ball....can we get a little more detailed info here? I mean maybe a color, type of cover, what to expect out of it. I dont mean give us everything, just a little glimps.
Nick
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Average jumped 10 pins since the change to Dyno-Thane. Why not use it?
Post by: tekneek on March 09, 2006, 10:48:25 AM
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Steve
Stars N Strikes Pro Shop
www.dynothane.com
Capt Ramius "Vacilli, give me one ping, and one ping only"
Post by: wulfpackbwlr on March 09, 2006, 12:07:54 PM
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NC State Fan
Average jumped 10 pins since the change to Dyno-Thane. Why not use it?
Post by: wulfpackbwlr on March 09, 2006, 02:31:33 PM
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NC State Fan
Average jumped 10 pins since the change to Dyno-Thane. Why not use it?
Post by: newguy on March 09, 2006, 03:10:49 PM
Post by: Pin_Daddy on March 09, 2006, 03:16:15 PM
quote:
our new resturant venture "IHOOK"
Sounds more like a Brothel than a restaurant to me
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Post by: wulfpackbwlr on March 09, 2006, 05:54:25 PM
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NC State Fan
Average jumped 10 pins since the change to Dyno-Thane. Why not use it?
Post by: AllAirForceTwice on March 09, 2006, 10:00:45 PM
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Hmmmmm....Dont know how IHOOK will go in this area, the so called "Bible Belt". I know some friends that would probably be takers on that though. Wait, you were refering to bowling balls? My bad.
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NC State Fan
Average jumped 10 pins since the change to Dyno-Thane. Why not use it?
Can you imagine and "IHOOK" in Utah?
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2004/2006 All Air Force
"Don't move Dave... the lanes will come to you." - Chris Kidd
Post by: Jeffrevs on March 10, 2006, 09:52:30 AM
Again...if you read my last response.....I know why you have a big following..you've got a bunch of great stuff out there and it's obvious you do the research before you launch stuff......
Thanks for the insight on my honest question! Interesting stuff!
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JEFF
"...nowhere is the dreamer, or the misfit so alone...."