Post by: DynoLess Daddy on January 15, 2006, 08:36:49 AM
If you play house and need to move in and control the lane but still keep a strong move to the pocket then this is for you!!!
rec the ball last week and had to let Billy know that I finally found an element that might be better than my vendettas!
40 ft House.....smooth and strong arc....38 foot house skid...Hard arc
37ft sport.....Midlane control
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Post by: Goof1073 on January 15, 2006, 05:26:08 PM
...really looking forward to getting my test ball even more now!
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Post by: jimensminger on January 18, 2006, 09:57:03 AM
Post by: Jeffrevs on January 18, 2006, 10:04:31 AM
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Post by: Goof1073 on January 18, 2006, 10:17:59 AM
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Post by: tekneek on January 18, 2006, 10:43:26 AM
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Post by: jimensminger on January 18, 2006, 03:27:43 PM
Edited on 1/19/2006 9:09 AM
Post by: jimensminger on January 18, 2006, 09:13:41 PM
another comparison: a Tiger Woods drive,..about 365 yds,..down the middle.
Edited on 1/19/2006 6:10 AM
Post by: tekneek on January 18, 2006, 10:26:54 PM
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Post by: DynoLess Daddy on January 19, 2006, 02:01:18 PM
This one still has me shaking my head. GO GO GO GO
In Comparison. This is a much better lane control then the AU. It opened the lane up further down then the original element. It still has the power to crush the pocket and carry on even those light hits. I will keep this Element in my bag.
The only thing I need now is to get one with DD on the side. So the storm guys will know I am coming.....
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Post by: AllAirForceTwice on January 21, 2006, 08:48:16 PM
Driller dudes... 4 1/16 middle 4 1/4 ring so that should eliminate some top as I understand it as long as I stick to an over-the-label drill huh?
I already have
1) CP drilled pin above and on gripline... cg 3/4 inch negative
2) VP drilled pin below and on gripline... cg 1/4 inch negative
3) Energy drill pin below ring finger 45 degree no hole
I was considering a stacked leverage layout but would this overlap the Energy though? I recall reading that this is an "extra control" version of Soaker... to me that smacks of all midlane read... but looks all pearl. Stacked seems like the right layout for this... Ideas on this one?
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Post by: Pin_Daddy on January 21, 2006, 09:08:48 PM
I would think a stacked would be pretty hard to keep on the lanes with any decent amount of revs.
I could be wrong tho, and I certainly haven't thrown it...please feel free to slap me if I am wrong
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Post by: AllAirForceTwice on January 22, 2006, 09:04:19 PM
Thanks!
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Post by: Pin_Daddy on January 23, 2006, 01:19:21 AM
Post by: Goof1073 on January 25, 2006, 06:57:37 AM
I love the look of this ball...very nice grey pearl and the yellow logos don't over power the ball. I was a little surprised to see how different this ball looks from the overseas release...but the US version looks nicer IMHO.
I took the ball out to the lanes to compare it against my Centrifugal Mass and High Energy. I only had time to throw 3 games total, but out of the gate I can see the ball fitting in between the two. Ball got good length and was able to open up the lane more than the CM. However, pulled to far into the oil and the ball would skate...not as big of an issue with the HE. To be honest, I couldn't make a great comparison as I needed to redo the thumb in the ball as I took too much bevel out of the thumb so I didn't have the proper feel at all.
So far it's seems promising, though I wish I had the Gold to compare it to. I'll fix the thumb and give it more time before I post a full review.
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Post by: jimensminger on January 25, 2006, 10:26:55 AM
Post by: 802dave on January 25, 2006, 10:47:16 AM
What in Dyno-thane's line matches up with the VZ? The new Element ZR40?
Thanks!
Dave
Post by: jimensminger on January 27, 2006, 06:19:22 AM
Post by: tekneek on January 27, 2006, 07:20:51 AM
If you want a great med to med heavy (with lower ball speed or good bit of hand)I'd go Zr40. I have one 4-1/2 x 3-1/2 pin half in the ring, 3/8 pos side and it is one of the best contol balls I've seen. Very smooth off the break,yet angular, no herky jerky movement and still covers carrydown without a problem. I'm so impressed with it I turned loose of my AU79.
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Post by: wierdleftypba on January 29, 2006, 07:09:09 PM
Post by: Pin_Daddy on January 29, 2006, 07:25:39 PM
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 04, 2006, 10:42:28 PM
Post by: tekneek on February 05, 2006, 09:23:52 PM
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Post by: jimensminger on February 06, 2006, 06:03:21 AM
Post by: tekneek on February 06, 2006, 07:23:48 AM
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Post by: charlest on February 06, 2006, 08:45:05 AM
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THE Z,..won a Senior All Star Bowling Assoc,(SASBA)scratch tournament this weekend in Oklahoma City,..shot a 300, and averaged 255.7 for 18 games. Any questions,..lapped the field. Thank you GUYS.
Thanks a whole bunch, Jim!
So what the heck am I supposed to do with this High Energy I just had drilled up 2 days ago pending my return to bowling???
Dag-nabit! Dyno-Thane is getting as bad as Track. For such small companies- too danged many releases!!
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Post by: newguy on February 06, 2006, 09:37:26 AM
This is the 3rd Element in 4 years, that really is way to frequent for the Element line isn't it.
Edited on 2/6/2006 10:25 AM
Post by: jimensminger on February 06, 2006, 10:06:02 AM
I don't think D/T floods the market,..but each and every new ball (usually every 6-8 weeks) gets better and better...
I used the HE at Nationals last year,..it was just off the press,..won about 8 grand,..STILL tickin'...
One thing about our equipment is that there always seems to be a little more innovation in each ball that keeps them very contemporary...although I'll be the first to admitt, that I never leave home without my THING, Ven BLACK, or AU79,..all which have 100's of games on them...jim
Post by: charlest on February 06, 2006, 10:20:26 AM
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High Energy was released in April or May 2005. 3 energy balls in one year, not 3 in one month like the company you compared us to.
This is the 3rd Element in 4 years, that really is way to frequent for the Element line isn't it.
Edited on 2/6/2006 10:25 AM
Excuse me!
There is no "Element" line or "Energy" line; maybe in your head, you think of them that way. All I see is a "Premium" line". That was my objection 2-3 years ago, right here in ballreviews, to the way you named your lines of balls. But, based on whatyou're now saying, those demarcations are not really "lines' of balls.
If you don't differentiate them anywhere except "in your eyes", how can you expect us to? After all, we've been conditioned that ball names mean next to nothing, except something catchy for marketing purposes. If you're saying these are now specific lines, do that in the website and tell us what you designed them for or how they are intended to act. (Yes, I see a little of that in each ball description).
Part of the basis for what I say above is that, since there was only one "Thing" and one "Element" for a while now, I would hardly consider each to be a "line" of balls. Is the "Critical Mass" the first of a new line of balls?So, why should one consider the Energys a line of balls, even if there were 3 of them?
Are you now going to have 4 lines within the Premium Priced Class of balls, as delineated by the "Soaker" coverstock?
The Vendettas are obviously a line of balls, because they have one for almost every purpose you can think of, PLUS they are separated from all the Soaker coverstocks, which is where you placed your premium "priced" balls. Perfectly justifiable.
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Post by: charlest on February 06, 2006, 10:29:42 AM
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CHAS,..great choice,..
I kind of hoped so. have to wait til my hand heals enough to try it, though.
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I don't think D/T floods the market,..but each and every new ball (usually
every 6-8 weeks) gets better and better...
I do see the innovation on each ball, and I think that's great, but as you can see in my reply to new guy, I remained confused as many balls in the "premium" line seem to overlap to my eyes. Now, as seen in my reply, I assume the "Premium" line is just a class now and he has 4 separate ball lines, in his mind's eye, in that class of balls. That confused me and I wait for him to explain it to me in a little more detail or confirm my assumptions.
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One thing about our equipment is that there always seems to be a little more innovation in each ball that keeps them very contemporary...although I'll be the first to admitt, that I never leave home without my THING, Ven BLACK, or AU79,..all which have 100's of games on them...jim
Had Thing, Element; have AU79; still use it. Hopefully the HE will help me re-see the Dyno-Thane "light".
I guess the "thing" that bugs me most about the ZR40 is I love control pearls; yet they are so rare. I tried to make my AU79 into one and failed, so far. Now I just bought the HE, drilled it to try to make it emulate control, after I polish it up slighty and Bingo! the ZR40 pops up designed from the word, "go", for control.
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Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 06, 2006, 10:34:24 AM
In fact Phil never said ball was a flop but one of his ex reps did tell this to me personally, that is why they came out with the Thing Lives so fast. It was the ball the Anomoly was supposed to be but was not, trust me when 2 time high roller champ Paul Renteria can only hook a ball 5-6 boards and this guy's normal game is inside 4th arrow there was a problem with the ball. I still stayed with them because i figured it was a bad batch or missing the resin like my energy was that i kept and sold to another BR memer who loves the ball having no resin and a big differential. He posts how great the ball is on the energy post and has thanked me 3 times now, so mistakes happen no big deal.
Post by: jimensminger on February 06, 2006, 10:42:13 AM
Post by: newguy on February 06, 2006, 10:54:22 AM
Element, Element Au79, Element Zr40 sounds like a line to me. It has been that way for the past 18 years that I have been designing balls. One would assume that the black hammer and the blue hammer and burgundy hammer were a line or the Zone, Danger Zone, Danger Zone Black Ice etc were a line, so why do the rules change today.
The Vendetta is a line, the Thing was a line (all 3 complimented each other), the Energy (same core 3 different covers was certainly a line) all 3 complimented each other. The Critical Mass (ha ha ) as you stated incorrectly, The Centrifugal Mass is the start of our Assymetrical line. By the way the Critical Mass was followed by the Code Red (another line). We probably do the best job at building arsenals and are on this site preaching less random purchases and more arsenal building than anyone else. Hope this clears it up.
Post by: shelley on February 06, 2006, 11:11:23 AM
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Element, Element Au79, Element Zr40 sounds like a line to me.
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The Vendetta is a line, the Thing was a line (all 3 complimented each other), the Energy (same core 3 different covers was certainly a line) all 3 complimented each other.
I think his confusion is in the fact that the Elements, Energies, and Things are all at the premium price point. Having several lines at that price point is not common and that's where the confusion was.
I was also confused, being used to equating "price point" and "line" with many other companies. It is obvious to me that the Elements sharing a core as they do makes them complementary in some fashion, but what distinguishes the Element line from the Thing line or the Energy line? All at the same price point, and taken as a whole, there appears to be a lot of overlap.
Yes, you could easily build a reasonably complete arsenal using only Elements (though it'd be necessary to include the long-defunct original Element) or only the Energies or only the Things. But why chose one line over another? That's where some of the confusion was and, in my mind, remains.
Don't get me wrong, they're probably all great balls, I only have the Thing Lives and it's great. At this point, if I get another ball any time soon, it will probably be another DT.
SH
Post by: mrbowlingnut on February 06, 2006, 11:23:12 AM
I can honestly say that Dynothane balls go with me every session i bowl nowdays, if i go practice somewhere different i bring one of CM's with me. I can already tell you the Zr40 will be with me alot, i did a make up for league and my low game so far is 196 with the zr40. I am hoping it breaks in about 20 games like tekneek posted in another post that the ball will handle carrydown better when the cover breaks in better.
Post by: Pin_Daddy on February 07, 2006, 08:37:12 PM
I've had great succes with pure and high energies, the au79, and vendetta maxx...I'm a sold DynoThane man.
IMHO seems to be the only ball company around that concentrates on making high performance unique (from each other) balls that don't wear out or break within 50 games or less.
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Post by: DynoLess Daddy on February 07, 2006, 11:26:05 PM
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Post by: bass on February 08, 2006, 06:35:19 AM
It was one of the biggest hooking balls i've ever thrown(and i've thrown alot of different ones).
Can't wait to try out my Zr40.
With Billy Y.'s help this ball should be a nice complement to my Sniper and Thing Lives.
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Post by: Goof1073 on February 08, 2006, 07:10:21 AM
...Threw it last night against my Centrifugal Mass on left overs from an earlier league. With the CM I was playing around 18-19 at the arrows and out to about 5-7, which utilized the bump that existed nicely. On the same line the Zr40 was a bit too strong in the midlane and it read the dry to quickly. A simple shift of my feet left and the ball caught enough head oil to push far enough down the lane to be effective. I then moved in about another 3 boards and the ball was unstoppable...even had a 300 in there (ya I know it's only practice). The ball is really starting to come alive and I've had some time to better understand the ball's reaction. I still can't believe how strong in the midlane this ball is for a pearl resin. I believe that I know have another option to compliment my Vendetta Sniper for being able to get into the oil a little bit more, etc. We'll see what next week's practice session brings as I compare it against my Sniper.
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Post by: AllAirForceTwice on February 10, 2006, 12:13:47 PM
More to the point... this ball HITS very hard, when I was in the 1-3. WOW!
Regarding lines... I can't wait for another assymetric... picked up my CM after the first game in one of my leagues and shot 256-279... almost unfair to use...
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Post by: Pin_Daddy on February 10, 2006, 01:43:44 PM
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Sorry to take so long Pin Daddy.
Regarding lines... I can't wait for another assymetric... picked up my CM after the first game in one of my leagues and shot 256-279... almost unfair to use...
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2004/2006 All Air Force
"Don't move Dave... the lanes will come to you." - Chris Kidd
No problem...just happy you thought of me
Well now i'm really torn, want to get both the zr40 and the CM.
Might just have to break down and get both.
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Post by: AllAirForceTwice on February 10, 2006, 07:53:54 PM
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