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Equipment Boards => Dyno-Thane => Topic started by: crankncrash on September 08, 2006, 02:53:24 AM
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Hi all,
I was absolutely dumbfounded to walk into league last night and find more oil than I could handle. I am not going back without something to stop that mishap from happening again. I think I am all but set on the Threshold, but I've been having the Black Widow pushed on me. I have seen the Widow in action but nothing on the Threshold other than the one video here. I need somebody to help me out on what reaction difference I might see in the 2. I thought the Widow looked a little on the "rolly" side on a house shot and the video here certainly made the Threshold look stronger in the backend. Has anybody seen or thrown the two side by side for a real comparison? I really want to get back to all DT, but its hard to make the leap with nobody around throwing it to see what I might get.
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Black Widow is a fine ball, but it will not handle as much oil as the Threshold in my opinion. The BW is just a reactive coverstock. Threshold is a particle, but the pearl in it should give it more reaction in the back than the BW. Also, if you look at the specs of the BW, the Diff changes greatly between 16 and 15 LBS. .049(16lbs) and .06(15lbs). Therefore ball weight will change amount of movement of the BW. The Threshold stands pretty steady at .055 Diff. On the other hand if you want a control ball for oil, the Dynothane Pure Energy would be an even better choice.
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i just got my widow and it is not a rolly ball to me it is good lenght and a violent left turn i threw it on 42 foot of oil that had a extra 14 foot bump this ball defianly digs in oil loves oil and that is oob surface i like the widow
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Thanks guys I'll take any info I can get. I will be throwing 15 so the high differential will be a factor in the widow.
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I ahve 2 BW's and a Threshold. Drillings and pics are in my profile. The Threshold is alot earlier and has even more hook at the back than the BW's. I love my BW's, but the Threshold will handle more oil and be stronger at the breakpoint. Now on mediums I would give the BW the upperhand b/c the Threshold would be a little too aggressive. They are both 2 of the best balls out right now. For heavy-oil go with the Threshold, for medium-oil go with the BW.
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Your welcome. The Diff of both the PE and the Threshold is .055. The main difference is the PE is Solid and the Threshold is Pearl. They will both handle a lot of oil, they will however have different reaction shapes. The difference between .055 and .06 in the widow is almost negligable.
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The only difference between Genius and Stupidity is Genius has its Limits
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I have both the BW and I got a Threshold yesterday. It is my first D/T since a Maximum Risk a long time ago. I drilled it with a 4¼ pin to PAP and 4¼ cAp tp PAP, 70 degrees, pin under. On the fresh league conditions, on pro anvillane, the Threshold was way too much ball, even playing 25 out to 10-8 the ball would always check up early enough to leave a 4 pin. I had to spin the ball from deep to get enough length not to go Beak. It's a great heavy rolling ball and even on this hooking house shot had zero rollout, even though it was clear the ball was burning up - it was still continuous and hit the pins with a very loud sound and good action. The Black Widow (Polished, 4x4 75 degree, Pin High) on the same shot was about 5 feet longer and fairly angular. This ball also was too much after I switched from the Threshold, I would get better length but the ball seemed to go sideways and always go a little high. The ball that worked best on this shot was a Vibe. So I would drill the Threshold, sounds like you have enough oil out there for it to work great cause the ball neeeds oil.
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Well as for oil we will put it this way, I have NEVER thrown my XXXTreme on a more down and in line in my life I was cranking the crap out of it to make it go up 10 and finish. Mind you I usually play from about 20 to 5 and back regardless of the condition I can get the ball back.. Not so last night. I had a guy on the pair next to me who had a Columbia Roll with 600 grit finish and my estimate would be in the 475-500rpm release at 17mph getting a SLIGHT belly to the ball playing 15 to 10 and back with some pop. Oil is no issue, I just want finish
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I only throw D/T at this point, but have seen it against Morich Awesome hooks, and the One Series and it runs circles around everything thrown in our house, never seen a ball with so much hook but yet sooooo much recovery, mine is at 1500 grit to get more than two games out of her otherwise I'd be renting approach space on adjacent lanes.
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Steve
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Would you guys say this ball would be stronger than the Big One.
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Threshold is absolutely stronger @16Lbs. The Big One only has a Diff of .039 at 16Lbs. A Dynothane Vendetta Series ball has higher diffs than that. At 15lb The Big One's Diff goes up to .056 which is pretty much where the Threshold is. However with the partical nature of the Threshold; it should handle more oil.
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Edited on 9/8/2006 10:03 PM
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Recovery on oil is what I am after so I think the Threshold sounds like the choice. BTW does anybody know what the OOB finish is on it?
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Threshold is OOB @ 800 Grit. If you know your PAP and other stats, or drillings you like crankncrash, there are several people on this board that can help you select a proper layout. Too many times we hear people saying "ball doesn't move" or something of that nature, and most times the ball has been laid out improperly, or it is the wrong drilling for that specific situation. Let us know how we can help!
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Would you guys say this ball would be stronger than the Big One.
I had my Big One drilled very similar to my Threshold and the Threshold is earlier and stronger on the backend than the Big One. This is with both in OOB surface. Big one was a strong ball, but Threshold is ridiculous.
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Thanks for the feedback about the Big one and Threshold. I really would like to get he Threshold, but i cant't afford for it to overlap with The Big one.
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Threshold was stronger than my Big One's , both of which I got rid of. Balls didn't match up for me at all. I'm getting another Threshold and drilling it weaker, and polishing it so I can use it on 'softer' conditions. It hits HARD.
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Stay Focused and Make the Shot
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Up til now the absolute best oiler I have thrown is a Morich Total Shock and Awe and it is was the by a BIG margin. I have used the Big One, Hammer Hawg, Strom Trifecta, Passion, Ultimate inferno, Weapon of Mass Bias, Seek and Destroy, and a few more. The TSA was the BEST! It hooked in the heads all the way to the end of the pin deck. A sick ball IMO.
How does the threshold compare to the Morich TSA?
Edited on 9/10/2006 11:29 AM
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I've thrown them both, same layout, hands down Threshold. And that's with the Threshold at 1500 grit, sanded to the TSA at 400 grit, much stronger cover on the Thres.
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Steve
Leading Edge Pro Shop
512-755-2947
e-mail tekneek@281.com
www.dynothane.com
Capt Ramius "Vasili, give me one ping, and one ping only"
Edited on 9/10/2006 4:25 PM
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I dont have the Black Widow....but I do have a Threshold. The only Dyno-Thane i have. It was a total fluke that I ended up with this ball. I got it this summer from a equipment league. I had orderd the Columbia Action Packed....and I got the Threshold instead....I was pissed at first. I said what the hell. Best choice I could have ever made. CRANKER....if it is too much ball for you in OOB finish....shine it to about a 1000 grit....watch it come to life. Very versatile------hope this helps ya-----Earl
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I've thrown them both, same layout, hands down Threshold. And that's with the Threshold at 1500 grit, sanded to the TSA at 400 grit, much stronger cover on the Thres.
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Steve
Leading Edge Pro Shop
512-755-2947
e-mail tekneek@281.com
www.dynothane.com
Capt Ramius "Vasili, give me one ping, and one ping only"
Edited on 9/10/2006 4:25 PM
Jesus Christ this must be one hell of a strong peice if hands down it is stonger than the TSA! I think I will pick one up just out of curiousity!
Edited on 9/10/2006 5:42 PM
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I dont have the Black Widow....but I do have a Threshold. The only Dyno-Thane i have. It was a total fluke that I ended up with this ball. I got it this summer from a equipment league. I had orderd the Columbia Action Packed....and I got the Threshold instead....I was pissed at first. I said what the hell. Best choice I could have ever made. CRANKER....if it is too much ball for you in OOB finish....shine it to about a 1000 grit....watch it come to life. Very versatile------hope this helps ya-----Earl
If you're a cranker I highly recommend the Element Zr40. It's the most controllable, strong arc'ing ball I have. And I have thrown about three years worth of Dyno-thane equipment. I have two of them now and I jsut ordered another two.
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Though I don't see the Zr40 being a real oil ball, I do think it is one SICK piece of equipment. Gets down the lane, still strong enough to recover and yet some how easily controlled. It was actually this ball that brought me back to thinking Dyno all the way again. I just needed to be assured that the Threshold would do what I was looking for. It sounds as though it will.
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Yeah Crank....im thinking about more Dyno-Thane as well....my Threshold is outstanding.----Earl
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I've yet to see the threshold... hoping for it tonight.. but the Zr40 is special, I loved the original element smooth and strong there too.. god its good I don't know why I EVER even looked at other stuff.