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charlest

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Threshold coverstock question
« on: November 13, 2006, 05:46:24 AM »
(If I posted this previously, I apologize. Don't recall the answer, in any case)

Is the Threshold's "NexGen Reactive w/MicroParticles" considered to be a Soaker coverstock?

I sure hope so. Just threw a few games on medium oil with either a slightly longer than average pattern (or slightly heavier oil in the heads), after sanding the stock one to 2000 grit, with an Abralon pad. It hardly ever made the turn, playing a slight swing (16/17 at arrows, out to 8/9 at breakpoint), that (theoreticallY) milder balls had no trouble making. Threw a sheen finish solid particle and polished solid resin, both of which hooked more and more consistently.

So I'm praying this ball needs some "break-in" like all Soakers ....

(I sanded it from its base 1000 grit, because when I tried it at another house, also with medium oil with a heavier dose in the heads on Anvillanes synthetics, it made an uncontrollable left turn.)
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Re: Threshold coverstock question
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2006, 02:51:59 PM »
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(I sanded it from its base 1000 grit, because when I tried it at another house, also with medium oil with a heavier dose in the heads on Anvillanes synthetics, it made an uncontrollable left turn.)


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I think you answered your own problems right there without knowing. The OOB surface got you a strong reaction. Sanding it, as I'm sure you know, offers more chance to bleed energy and is causing it to burn up on lighter shots. It has seemed to be to be nothing short of an oil HOG from the ones I've seen.



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SOrry, crankncrash, but yo umissed something. I sanded it finer. I took the stock finish (I had said it was 1000 grit, but now I think it is 800 grit) and sanded it to 2000 grit. That can't make it grabbier; it adds more length. It should bleed less energy.
 



Yes sir, I stand corrected.  I did mis-read that.  So to that end I will say that I have no clue, but I would continue to play with the surface a bit and maybe not judge it soley on its performance for the first few attempts with it.  I've had balls that I hated for a while and all of a sudden fell in love with, go figure.

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Re: Threshold coverstock question
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2006, 03:00:47 PM »
the cover is not Soaker, rather an inovative blend of reactive solid and pearl mix with ib-tw particles otherwise know as micro particles, almost said something else, that would have been a big no-no.
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Re: Threshold coverstock question
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2006, 04:28:38 PM »
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Yes sir, I stand corrected.  I did mis-read that.  So to that end I will say that I have no clue, but I would continue to play with the surface a bit and maybe not judge it soley on its performance for the first few attempts with it.  I've had balls that I hated for a while and all of a sudden fell in love with, go figure.


No offense intended. I've done that more times than I care to admit.

For whatever it's worth, the D/T website actually said sand it to 2000 grit to make it work on medium oil. Since I have quite average "hand" by most standards, maybe the oil amount/pattern I thought was medium+ was closer to medium heavy in length and/or amount.

I have changed the cover to approximate 1500 grit and will try it at my next practice opportunity.

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Re: Threshold coverstock question
« Reply #19 on: November 14, 2006, 04:32:15 PM »
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the cover is not Soaker, rather an inovative blend of reactive solid and pearl mix with ib-tw particles otherwise know as micro particles, almost said something else, that would have been a big no-no.
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Solid/pearl blends are an old Phil/Track trick which has worked wonders on many balls. Phil and Bill seem to be continuing that pattern here at D/T with the Thing, the 44 Magnum (I believe) and many others in between. I've been quit elucky with my use of them so far. Maybe it will continue with this one.

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Re: Threshold coverstock question
« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2006, 06:00:04 PM »
Jeff its a great ball my first one I went overboard with the drilling, 4 1/4 pin to pap, mb @ 5 1/2, right in the middle of the thumb, at 35 feet the ball did a 90* left turn at box, almost the same at 1000, could get 1- 1 1/2 games at 1000, at 1500 I could throw it all three game, but we have 50 units plus on the 20 at 22 feet, more oil than most houses put out, run 28 feet then buffed to 41.
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Re: Threshold coverstock question
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2006, 05:46:30 PM »
the new Threshold coming out in Jan will have the newest version of Soaker, Nex-Gen Soaker and that's all I can say at this point.
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Re: Threshold coverstock question
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2006, 08:04:34 PM »

I modified the cover back down to 1200 grit, from 2000 grit, but didn't use it in league because I didn't want to waste the scores (could have after all was said and done); so I used my Big Kahuna. Will test the modified Threshold on Monday or Tuesday.



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Re: Threshold coverstock question
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2006, 05:25:08 AM »
yeah, i'm about to get one and i know i will need to adjust the cover...i plan on taking it to 1000 and using black magic polish. i have a lot of hand, so this may be the only option...if that doesn't work, i'll take it to 2000 abralon then polish it. either way, i won't have a problem making it hook and i'm looking forward to my first DT since the Au79!!!
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Re: Threshold coverstock question
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2006, 09:42:36 PM »
the ball in oil reminds me of an off road vehicle slinging mud from all 4 tires, the carry and violence at the pin deck is scary.
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Re: Threshold coverstock question
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2006, 01:04:47 PM »
So I took the 1200 grit Threshold to the same lanes, got the same condition and was surprised. AT 1200 grit I got almost the same reaction as I got from 800; not quite the same but almost. I've never seen a ball react so differently to such relatively small changes in the coverstock. At 2000 grit the ball was barely hooking until I went way out to the bone dry around 3/4 board. Today, it was hooking just on/outside the oil line (7/8 board), as I had expected it to last week. Very strange.

I would have expected such a difference between 600 grit and maybe 4000 grit, not between 800, 1200 and 2000 grit.

Nice thing was once it hit the dry, the ball never overreacted, but it was not a continuous hook/backend either. I tried 2 releases: my standard one and one with much more revs and more tilt. The 2nd one, of course, got a much more significant ball reaction and I had to stand 6/8 boards deeper.

A 2nd good thing was that because the ball didn't overeact, with my first release, and a tiny bit of added ball speed, I could play an outside line, standing 19/20, laying down around 12/13 at the foul line playing a breakpoint of around 3/4. This, I liked a lot. My normal line at this house is standing 25-30 (depending on the oil and the ball I have in hand) and sending it out to 7/8 at breakpoint.

One not so nice thing was once the ball sniffed dry, it made a quite sudden move but that may be more a result of the MB being 4" from my PAP. Pin is also at 4" but just outside the ring finger. This is a very strong drill for me. I did it because I haven't had a lot of luck with asymmetric balls.
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Re: Threshold coverstock question
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2006, 01:27:18 PM »
I do not know what conditions you are throwing, nor
your style and speed, but this ball hooked from day
one on any condtion, in box finish, then I took it to 2000
abralon, shot 300 with that surface, and it remains at
that surface. There was no breakin period for this ball.
This ball did not even show any burn-up, even with my
15mph average speed. I just kept going left on the
approach. Now, the drilling I have is a 4 X 4 with the
pin 1 inch above the finger, and 1/2 inch over to the
right. The best ball I have thrown in awhile !
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Re: Threshold coverstock question
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2006, 02:01:57 PM »
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I do not know what conditions you are throwing, nor
your style and speed,



Style and speed is in profile. I've ramped down my revs to better coordinate with my lower ball speed, but sometimes I have to invoke my old game, now my "B" game, as mentioned above.

Oil is probably medium-heavy on Brunswick Anvillanes, but the oil is not what it used to be - some new type. It breaks down very suddenly and you have to move 5 boards deeper in one frame, almost like the old Guardian overlays.


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 but this ball hooked from day
one on any condtion, in box finish,



as already mentioned stock, 800 grit, was too strong and too early.

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then I took it to 2000
abralon, shot 300 with that surface, and it remains at
that surface. There was no breakin period for this ball.
This ball did not even show any burn-up, even with my
15mph average speed. I just kept going left on the
approach. Now, the drilling I have is a 4 X 4 with the
pin 1 inch above the finger, and 1/2 inch over to the
right. The best ball I have thrown in awhile !
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Glad you had no problems with it.

Not sure if I need break-in or have to get used to it or what. It was better today, but not what I'd want such a ball to be ... yet.
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Re: Threshold coverstock question
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2006, 02:10:31 PM »
charlest, keep searching for success.  This ball has lived up to it's billing for this mortal.  I bowl on a condition that allows the use of aggressive equipment that matches up with my game.  Hopefully, you'll be able to tweak your Threshold to fit your game.
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Re: Threshold coverstock question
« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2006, 02:41:28 PM »
I've heard 230's ball speed is cannon like.
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Re: Threshold coverstock question
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2006, 02:49:11 PM »
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I'm not too sure about cannon-like.  Only around 17.2-17.6 MPH.  Enough to get by!
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