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Elements Ice
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
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The elements of the bowling universe unite as only total opposites can.  Fire shoots down the lane with deadly backend hook.  Ice glides toward the pocket with smooth, continuous backend.  Each as dealy as the other.

Length Rating: 21.5 (scale of 1-30, early to late)  
Overall Hook Rating: 15.9  (scale of 1-30, least to most)  
Breakpoint Angle: 6.6 (scale of 1-10, smooth to sharp)  
Color: Blue/Green Crystal Pearl  
Style: #029744 593  
Reactions: Medium length with smooth, continuous backend  
Target Line: Inside Angles and Track Area in light oil or Outside Angles in medium oil  
Lane Conditions: Light to Medium Oil  
Coverstock: Trimax reactive resin (same as V2 Sanded) polished with Ebonite Powerhouse Factory Finish Polish  
Core: Stringer low flare ellipse  

 

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Re: Elements Ice
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2005, 05:55:49 PM »
Ball came in at 15lb 3.4 oz. top and a 4 inch pin.  drilled it label, and it goes straight, just like it says it will do.  Will clear heads easily and needs a little midlane oil to keep it from getting to bumpy and jumpy on the back.  Will not react well in oil.  I does hit very good. Most dry lane balls you expect to hit weak, this one does have some power in it.  I like it a lot.

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Re: Elements Ice
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2005, 07:56:22 AM »
Got mine a few weeks ago, mostly for practice since they don't oil the lanes except right before league.

Ball Specs: 15lb 3oz. 3 1/2" pin 3oz top.

Drill Specs: 5"pap to pin above ring finger 4 1/2" pap to cg on midplane.

Ball does as advertised, tumbles through the heads, then pics up it's revs in the midlane then makes a strong arc back to the pocket with above average hit at the pocket.

Ball responds well to hand position adjustments. I was able to go from a skid snap reaction to a hook set reaction with a simple wrist position change.

I did find that if I backed off the revs it wouldn't hit near as hard, so if you are rev challenged you might want to go to a stronger drilling pattern and if you crank it up you might want to go to a 5 1/2 to 6" pattern because this ball still snaps pretty hard at the break point.

Overall this ball is a good replacement for those who liked the Stinger Low Flare Pearl, just drill it a little weaker because the core is a little stronger.

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Re: Elements Ice
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2005, 11:42:00 AM »
Right handed bowler
15.5-19 mph
Avg amount of hand
Ball Weight-15.4
2-3 pin
Drillin- 1 o'clock

WOW is all that I can say about this ball. This ball is great gets down the lane so nicely, saves so much energy and hits so hard. Once I got this ball and tried it I was like it is nothing special then again it was on a sports shot and I was messing around with something. Once I worked with this ball I found out what it could do and man this ball is godly. I can play straight up or swing it a bit and it just takes the pins down. This is one of the hardest hitting balls that i have ever owned never had a ball that carries like this. This ball works great on med-lighter oil. You need a light oil ball drill this you will not be sorry. Ebonite does it again what about a solid version of this ball maybe call it a ice burgee I would be first to drill it I can tell you that man it is do great what can I say. Great ball 10 out of 10
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Re: Elements Ice
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2005, 01:39:40 PM »
Specs- 14lb. 5oz. 3-4 pin. Drilled ball with Pin way right of fingers and CGin the palm placing the MB left of the thumb in the track area. Was looking for a nice readable controlled arc that I could play in the track area with or move deeper as the oil amounts lessened. Ball does exactly as I had hoped. It isn't even bad on medium oil if the backends are moving. However, as expected, you have to move right and play straighter. Carry is excellent and versitility is good. Rate this ball a 9 out 10 (Hey 10's are hard to come by) as it is great for it's purposed use.
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Re: Elements Ice
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2005, 08:35:08 AM »
this is a good ball if you are accurate.  light hits do not carry very well with it, but if you hit flush, the pins dont have a chance, or even a little high , you will get a lot of trip 4s.  you can play it on any condition, the lighter oil you can swing it and on heavy oil you can stand to the right and play a direct line and it will still carry pretty well.  the ball is a bit speed and rotation sensative, but it is a good ball if you are consistent.  this is the only ball i throw that isnt brunswick so that says a lot for me.
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Re: Elements Ice
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2005, 10:29:25 AM »
Very smooth dry lane ball. Doesn't overreact

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Re: Elements Ice
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2006, 11:56:40 PM »
I've been looking at this ball ever since it came out and finally had one drilled up. I regret that I didn't do it a lot sooner.

I've been needing a ball for dry lanes to complement a Storm Dark Thunder and a Roto Grip Silver Streak SE. I needed something, specifically, for burnt heads. I believe I found what I'm looking for.

This ball is 14 pounds, with the pin above the bridge about a half-inch. The CG is below the ring finger about an inch and a half, and to the right about a half-inch.

I wasn't planning to use it tonight, but I got a chance when what had been a fairly slick set of heads burned out terribly in the third game, a factor of eight bowlers playing almost the exact same area. It turned into an over-under nightmare, with six of the other seven bowlers on our pair dropping off a fair bit from their first two game scores.

It's not often that I can't direct my SSSE through even dry heads, but I couldn't tonight. As a last resort, I went to the Ice, and immediately found a shot. This ball clears the heads so well, even though they were trash by the time I pulled this ball out. Instead of having to move left, left, and left some more and play tight in the middle, where I'm not comfortable, I was able to move back to my more comfortable down and in line and play strongly to the pocket.

The Ice never over/undered, never got jumpy, and gave me a very true shot. It carries like a truck, which surprised me because I've never been all that impressed with this particular core design until now.

I don't think this ball will be many people's first option out of the bag, unless they're in a dry house all the time, but a ball that acts this way is a virtual necessity when putting together an arsenal. I think the Ice will be with me a long, long time.

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Re: Elements Ice
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2006, 04:05:47 PM »
Recently purchased this ball because after purchasing a ZL-4 brace I was hooking my Monster Bruiser like a Swamp Monster.  Anywhoooo... This is one smooth ball with a great, predictable back end reaction that also hits like a truck with great pin action.  I have not seen very many bad tendencies from this all at all, and when I did, I could relate it to the bowler (me) not the ball.  I have it drill with the pin above and to the right of the ring finger (strong according to the driller) and is a 15 pounder.  I only thought I was in love with my old Monster Bruisers (actually I still am) but this ball really makes my day.  I've been struggling with too much hook, something I never thought I'd struggle with after bowling only 2 years and me in my 40s....but this ball is very consistent.  I've watched 2 other bowlers in my Tuesday night league bowl with this same ball and it looks consistent for them as well.  

The only downside is the coverstock color is a little girly, and sometimes, when the lanes are really dry, it still wants to overhook a little.  I simply move over a couple boards and it usually fixes it.  It's pretty easy to cure compared to my other 8 balls.  I keep it polished with Track's Magic Shine and it seems to like that alot.  I carry a 171 card average, a 176 current league average (23 weeks in) but I'm averaging 180-190+ each week.  Also, up until I bought this ball, I only had 2 600 series.  I'd get close and as the lanes changed (dried up) my Monster Bruiser was far less predictable than when the oil was fresh.  Since I purchased this ball, only a little over a month ago, I've had 3 of my last 5 or 6 official series over 600.

I can't wait till they discontinue it so I can grab 2 or 3 more off eBay for future use.  This one is a real winner.


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Re: Elements Ice
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2006, 03:56:03 PM »
I just had one of these punched up last week because I bowl a late shift (9:00 PM) league in a house that hooks like crazy by the last game or two.  I was specifically looking for a ball that had a controllable backend, but still had more punch than a conventional urethane, which is what I often had to step down to by the third game of league.  So far I only have 5 games on this ball (2 practice games and one league session), so I'll probably post a follow-up review after I have more games on it.

Anyhow, it is 15 lbs with a 3" pin-out.  I had my pro shop guy place the pin directly above and between the finger holes for more length and less flare, and the CG is in the middle of my grip.  Left the ball in OOB polished condition.  I'm a tweener type player with above average revs and an average ball speed of 17 MPH.

I first played this ball on a fresh house shot for two practice games and it rocked.  This is a house that uses an oiling machine that goes all the way to the pit and strips the backends, so there is always a lot of hook on the back, on a freshly oiled shot.  Anyhow, I was able to play this ball straight up the track area at the 2nd arrow and it was just blistering the rack.  I found that it was very forgiving.  I could pull it a few boards and it would hold pocket and strike.  Conversely, I could miss to the right and it had enough turn to come back into the pocket to strike.  I thought it was very cool to be able to play the track area because I normally have to play 3rd arrow or deeper at this house.  I don't mind playing deep, but this ball gives me the option of  moving right and going straighter.  When this ball hits flush, the pins don't stand a chance.

To conclude, this ball is a bit condition-specific.  You have to play it staighter on fresh oil or it will skid way past your breakpoint.  But on dryer shots, it really shines.  If you are looking for a ball that lets you play the lanes a little straighter or if you are a tournament bowler, I would highly recommend adding this ball to your arsenal.
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Re: Elements Ice
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2006, 05:41:42 PM »
I bought the ICE in May to use it in a Tourney in June. Every year this Tourney uses the same houses and every year the shots are the same. S/D house is always pretty clean THS. We bowl 2nd shift so lanes have a bit of carry down. I started with V2 Sanded polished up and shot 630+ scratch with 5 missed 10 pins and 1 split. It was an 8-10. Did not hit up on ball and hit weak. Switched sets and as the heads burned up I switched to the ICE. I have to say this ball is not cut out for "dry" lanes if you have hand. I currently have the High RG Strong layout by Ebonite on the ball. Pin above & between fingers, cg kicked out past ring and below and weight hole out and parallel to cg. Ball does get down the lane but with sharp backend. Anyway this ball was not the choice for me on this day. In retrospect I probably could have played outside and had some luck but I was a bit bull headed. The Ball was new and polished hence the sharper back end. The ball also may have matched up better with more surface which I have found to be the case during summer league with a similar shot.
In league back home a "new" house to me since I've never bowled in it......center of lane is dry with oil on the outsides, somewhat of a reverse block. Can play inside or out depending on speed and/or revs. I usually play in at beginning with an Overtime drilled with same LO as ICE and polished for length with success. Past two weeks have gone to ICE middle of second game and have not had to move my feet. As the ICE has gotten some games on it the ball isn't quite as jumpy and hits pretty solid with great pin carry. See the above about better reaction with more surface. All in all a good piece IMO for med-med/dry. I am also considering plugging it up and using the High RG arc LO to tame down the BE's since I have above avg. hand. Just my 2 cents!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Elements Ice
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2006, 04:09:55 PM »
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Drilled pin over bridge, CG swung right, weight hole on midline about 5" from grip center, coverstock currently at 4000 grit plus Particle Polish

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This balls serves the purpose of the dry ball in my "arsenal", it gets the most length out of any ball but is still surprisingly strong given the layout and surface prep.  This combination does promote length, but the surprising strength of the core definitely gives the ball a bit of a kick in the backend.  Not surprising considering the strength of the coverstock (Trimax resin, same as the V2), this ball has been one of the most versatile pieces i've thrown ever.  I've had this ball at every grit from 800 (grey scotchbrite) to 4000+polish (current) and it's reacted VERY well at each, at 800 and 1000, the ball definitely had some bite in the midlane thanks to the Trimax coverstock, and rolled through the backend with a slightly continuous, but definitely not TOO strong motion.  At higher grits (2000, 4000, and any base grit+polish) the ball definitely got more length and rolled through the backend, not exactly a flip, but definitely a mild arc.

Strong if sanded, weaker if polished, and VERY strong at the pindeck, this ball easily became my favorite ball when I dropped to 15# 2+ years ago.  I had drilled another one in the meantime with a longer pin and closer to the PAP, but it was too close in reaction to this one so I moved it.  What that taught me was that the core isn't too versatile, but you're pretty much gonna get what you expect regardless of the layout on the ball, I would play with the cover if you're looking for two distinct reactions out of two different Ices.
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Re: Elements Ice
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2006, 09:54:24 PM »
I got this ball off of a friend of mine. It had a pretty strait-up drill, but it is VERY aggressive on the backend. I couldn't believe what kind of reaction it had for it being such a low end ball. I have the pin above the ring finger  and the cg strait down below the ring finger. This ball goes very long and pretty much turns sideways 5 feet away from the pins.

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Re: Elements Ice
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2008, 12:39:10 PM »
I'm a cranker naturally, but I can play a stroker or tweener line, and have done so with this ball often. My ball speed is about 16 mph, and I have very little axis tilt, about 25-40 degrees axis turn, once again, varied depending on the line/shot I'm on.

Got this ball used from a friend of mine, and it may have had 50 games on it. I did a full plug and redrill on the ball, so now I'm tracking in an entirely fresh area of the ball, with the pin about 1/2 inch above the bridge, CG kicked out at a 50 degree angle from the center of grip line, and a small weight hole up the VAL. With a slight polish, this ball does exactly what I expected.

The ball was drilled to be long and skid flip, so that I can throw it in lengthy tournaments when the heads and mids get burnt. It works. Slow it down a little and move inside, the ball flies through the oil, gets to the backend, and reads...hard! The ball, when it's left in the oil, doesn't flip, but actually reads like a particle, as long as you throw it slow enough. When you play up the drier boards with this ball, it does exactly what I drilled it to do. It skids, picks up revolutions at about 45 feet, and makes a left hand turn downlane, although it's completely controllable.

The best feature of this ball: it hits like a truck!! Of course, the ball is tracking on fresh coverstock, so it will hit a little harder than anything else, but this ball is absolutely amazing. It will most likely be replacing my Radical Inferno, which has a tendency to squirt/jump when it hits a dry spot or a puddle.

If you can get your hands on this ball (even though discontinued for a year or two now) I would look into it. It has the same weight block as the Ebonite Clash, but as far as I can tell, doesn't have the over/under reaction associated with the coverstock.
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Re: Elements Ice
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2010, 12:06:23 PM »
As you can see from the date of the first review this is an older ball.  The first review is from 2005, but this ball has been in my arsenal since 2007.  It is my least aggressive reactive resin ball, but it is also the most consistent.  It has an arc to the pocket rather than a sharp snap and I have not found it to overhook when the lanes dry up.  I am an intermediate tweener, but I can often play up the boards with this ball and I had my high series of 633 with this ball last week.  I don't know how many of these balls are still around, but I recommend it.
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