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Savage Flip
« on: December 31, 1969, 06:00:00 PM »
Ball NPS Score: Not Available
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Reactions: High flare potential
Even lower rev players will look like they have hand
Strong breakpoint angle
Target Line: Inside angles and the track area
Lane Conditions: Medium oil
Coverstock: Pearlized Big Band reactive coverstock polished with Powerhouse Factory Finish Polish
Core: Twin flip block, inverted light-bulb design with medium RG and a differential that borders on the maximum that ABC rules allow
Weights:
RG:
Differential:
16 15 14 13
2.52 2.57 2.61 2.508
.063 .063 .065 .030

Weights:
RG:
Differential:
12 11 10
2.577 2.624 2.724
.032 .032 .031

Length Rating: 17.0 (scale of 1-30, early to late)
Overall Hook Rating: 22.7 (scale of 1-30, least to most)
Breakpoint Angle: 9.5 (scale of 1-10, smooth to sharp)
Color: Black/Silver Pearl

 

Jim Lewis

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Re: Savage Flip
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2003, 02:46:02 AM »
The Savage Flip by Ebonite seems to be living up to its name. I have drilled two Savage Flip’s. The first is drilled with the pin at 4 ½ above the fingers and the Cg is at 3 with a balance hole on the VAL 2 inches below the PAP. The second is drilled with the pin at 6 inches at the Cg at 3 ½ with a balance hole in my PAP. The starting pin was 3 ½ inches out for each ball and the starting top weights were 3 ounces on the first, and 2 ¼ on the second Flip. Each ball has been used only in the box condition.
One of the reactions I have been lacking in recent times is a big booming midlane pearl reactive ball with flare; I do believe the Savage Flip solves this hole for me. The first layout on the Savage Flip generates a sharp midlane hook with a rolling backend. Even the 6-inch pin layout on the Flip produces more power in the midlane for choppy wet/dry inside angles than I expect. The Savage Flip begs to be a first ball out of the bag with all the power it displays on the backend, I prefer the control of a Vortex 2 type reaction but this ball does make one go hummmm.
So far I have used the Savage Flips on medium wet/dry league patterns, hooking wet/dry league patterns, and short, medium, and long sport patterns. The Savage Flip does need some dry boards to play with in a box condition, but it uses them well. The only real problems noted so far are short sport and short wet/dry patterns and lanes where the head area has disintegrated. These situations allow the ball to hook too sharp early on the lane.

Anyone looking for a mid-price ball with power or a good strong pearl resin ball should give the Savage Flip a tryout.

Jim Lewis
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Brad Pollard

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Re: Savage Flip
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2003, 09:32:03 AM »
I drilled mine with pin 4" from PAP, stacked with a small hole 6 inches from the center of my grip.  With the core changes from the Savage Pearl, I feel like you lose some length, but definitely gain some muscle.  On a normal blend house pattern with a little carrydown to tame the backends, this ball was incredible.  It really allowed me to open things up, especially going away from the pocket.  No shortage of hitting power with this ball either, creating angle is not a problem.  I also used it in a sport league, which had a 36 foot flat pattern.  After using a few different balls in practice and the first game, the Savage Flip crossing about 27 and sending it just right of the pocket and letting it turn up gave me as much room to the pocket as anything else I had found that night.  Fortunately, I was able to get good carry that deep with it, too.  When you need some recovery and angle, this is a fantastic choice.

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Jace Peterson

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Re: Savage Flip
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2003, 09:47:57 PM »
I have drilled 2 Savage Flip balls. One is 5x3 pin above fingers with balance hole on VAL 1" above PAP, the other one, pin 3 3/8" but only 1 1/8" right of the VAL, and cg 2 3/4" from PAP.
  The 5x3 gives me good length on medium to medium dry with strong move at the breakpoint and more of a forward roll to the pocket. I have used it on PBA patterns E and A1 with good results. I can use it anywhere on the lane on A1, but E plays out and it played very well there.
   The leverage Savage Flip was earlier and stronger with more continuation, therefore I could not use it on E pattern, but I could circle the lane on A pattern. I have not used these on a house pattern yet.
  Because of the two different hook shapes (both expected) these drillings gave me, I now have 2 balls that can cover a variety of patterns and pocket angles. The Savage Flip is user friendly. The only surprise I got was how much the ball can hook with a leverage drilling.


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Re: Savage Flip
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2003, 01:30:04 PM »
I drilled my Savage Flip with a 5x3 with an 6" xhole.  This ball is very angular for me but it also gives some different options as Jace had posted previously and works good on pattern A and at times pattern E.  Out of the box finish will give a clean first 15-20 feet of skid.  A light scotch brite (gray pad) may help for a league condition on a wet dry condition.  This ball drives through the pins hard.

Doug Davidson

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Re: Savage Flip
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2003, 11:24:09 PM »
This ball has filled a hole in the Ebonite line up. I drilled my first Flip 5 x 4 with a small hole but deep hole on the axis point. I have been able to use this ball on three different patterns on the regionals with success. I have been able to play from the track area to very deep.

The ball gets down the lane very easily with a strong reaction down the lane. The box surface ball needed just a little carry down to avoid overreaction.

I liked it so well I drilled another exactly the same, but hit the surface with a 1000, 2000 and 4000 Abralon sanding pad. I then hit it heavy with Ebonite Factory Finish Polish. This allows me to go a little straighter through the heads or I can get this ball out when my other flip burns up to quickly.

I can honestly say I didn't think this ball would benefit my game, but out of all the new ones Ebonite has come out with, this is my favorite so far.


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Re: Savage Flip
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2003, 09:31:26 PM »
I just drilled this ball and all I have to say is WOW. I have the pin about 3 and 3/8 ths. this ball hooked a ton for me when we first got it out of the box. After polishing it up and taking the hook off of the ball a lot this ball is the 2nd ball I pick up out of my bag. The lanes I bowl on go to 38 and 40 feet of oil and this ball is nice. I got it on a thursday and got 4 on sunday at a tournament with it. I love it and so will u

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Re: Savage Flip
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2003, 01:14:32 AM »
This ball by far is one to go to when you need to have recovery.  Savage Flip gets good length down the lane and turns strong to the pocket on medium to medium/dry conditions.  I took this ball out of the box and shot 279 with it to make finals in last game for a regional tournament.  Great ball to have in your arsenal.  Check it out!!!!


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Mike Dias

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Re: Savage Flip
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2003, 02:51:35 AM »
To echo other comments on this ball - WOW!  This ball is not only a great skid/flip ball, but it makes the corner with pretty good control, which you don't always get out of this type of ball.  I drilled mine 4 3/4 stack, which is pin under the ring finger for me.  This ball will give you multiple reactions, depending on how long you send it down the lane.  If you get it long down the lane, it will give you incredible recovery, but if you let this ball roll up a little sooner, it really smooths out and turns up in the midlane.  This gives me multiple reactions in one ball, which makes it much more versatile than I thought it would be.

This ball fits well in the medium, pearl reactive category, but should play very well on most house conditions and some sport conditions (depending on length and amount of oil).  This ball gets a 9.5!

Mike Dias
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Re: Savage Flip
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2004, 12:53:04 PM »
I have to give this ball my highest regards after this past thursday. I bought  this ball at the beginning of the season. Well this past week with this ball I shot my first 800 ever. I am 21 years old and this is a huge accomplishment for me. I have not had a 300 yet but I got my first 800 in that is more satisfing to me then my 300. This is a tremendous ball and I think if someone is looking for a ball that is levage weighted like this ball is drill for me go get one you won't be disappointed.

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Re: Savage Flip
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2004, 03:58:07 PM »
I have had this ball about 7-8 months and for the first 2 or so i hated it i couldn't use it....it was jus to heavy  due to me moving up to 15lb....but as i started using it more i got to love it and i have rarely used any other ball it will work well on most oil conditions but will tend to skid abit on some carrydown.....i have now put it away for a couple of months and i am already missing it.......definately worth the money if you want a big big snap!!
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Re: Savage Flip
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2004, 12:26:23 PM »
HELP!!....i don't know what to do. My flip is very very slowly dying...i have put it away but i don't know what to do for it to regain its hook could anyone help me please...most appreciated

Adam Dent
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Re: Savage Flip
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2004, 04:40:34 PM »
HALLO DER ADAM
hello i am a child from jean oxer family if you know.....you should take your bowling ball and get it resurfaced from your pro shop

THANKYOU

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Re: Savage Flip
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2004, 03:56:12 PM »
Ebonite Savage Flip
2-3 inch pin
15lb's

Overall
Drilled up with pin over ring finger and cg under ring finger. Ebonite Factory Polish was used on the surface. Generally the ball gets good lenth and a very smooth transition to the pocket.

29ft buffed to 33ft after leagues
I started by playing up five with no grip pressure, and no wrist. This shot really never worked because the ball rolled to early (ball loves dry boards). After I determined that was not going to work I moved left to second arrow. Used some grip pressure, and a straight wrist. This shot worked the best, the ball just walked to the pocket and kicked the corners well. I also upped my grip pressure and played between third and fourth arrow with some success but the ball just did not have enough recovery to kick the corner pins.

PRO'S
Looks like it could be good on sport shots

CON'S it does not flip as hard as I thought it would.
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Re: Savage Flip
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2004, 12:28:55 AM »
This ball is drilled with 5” pin and the CG 4” from my PAP. I got good length and a nice flip on the backend. What I didn’t like was the way the ball hit, or in my case the lack of hit. I had no problem getting the ball to the pocket but I left many weak 10’s when it got there. On a suggestion from a national Ebonite staff player, I sanded this ball with 1000 Abralon pad. What a difference this made with the ball. The ball reads much more in the midlane with a smoother reaction on the backend. The biggest difference with this ball now is the hit and the carry. It is amazing how sanding improved carry and hitting power. The ball now covers as many boards as my V2 Strong. If you like this ball in the out of box condition great. But if you are looking for something else do not be afraid to adjust the surface of this one.
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